Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Innsbruckblue]

Who are this Red Bull Leipzig I keep hearing about? Lok Leipzig I know, and Rasenballsport Leipzig, but Red Bull Leipzig? Can't say I know of this team.

Guess I just refuse to use the "official" name when it is clear that the whole club is an artificial product with the only purpose to advertise a soft drink.

Not sure how good your German is but in one of the recent 11 Freunde issues was a great article going into all the details of what exactly is wrong with RB Leipzig. Well worth a read....

There is just absolutely no point in discussing this topic with any fan of a 'Traditionsverein'. I'm sure we've already established in this thread that Bayer 04 is the same. Oh wait, they're an established Bundesliga club from the West. But no, we can't have an upstart club from the East doing well, can we? No, that's where we poach the best youngsters from for our 'established' and 'traditional' Bundesliga clubs. Well I hope they get their licence and give German football the kick up the arse it needs.

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[Bembeltown]

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Thanks, just read the article online.

To be honest I couldn't care less if RB is based in East Germany or West Germany. I would be more than happy to see Dresden, Restock etc. back in the Bundesliga, so for me the whole "evil Wessis are against Oasis" tone of the article is pointless.

The problem I have with RB is stuff like raising the membership fees to astronomical high fees to avoid "common fans" to become members and actually have a word in the direction the club is taking.

In the end Mateschitz just wants to make sure that he and his close friends can steer the club into the direction they want. If they had a genuine interest in the people the membership would for sure be lowered to a level which someone with a standard east German income could afford?

But for whatever reason they seem to be scared to lose their power...

 

[supercrystal7]

Dortmund are in for Immobile. I don't know much about him, but it seems like it won't be a good signing. He is co-owned by Juventus and surely if he had much about him then Juventus would be keen to keep him. It's not like they are blessed with incredible striking talent. Dortmund would be better served buying young and German like Werner.

Disagree, Hes Young and will improve, he's a very good player, and playing with better standard of players at Dortmund will improve him massively.

As I said before I don't know him or know how good he is. I only question why Juentus don't want him if he is so talented. It's not like they have amazing strikers themselves or are better than Dortmund. It's not a good sign for me that Dortmund are going for a player that a weaker team like Juventus don't want.

Another interesting stat is that no player has contributed more goals and assist over the last 3 years in the Bundesliga than Marco Reus. Has to win player of the season. Oddly enough Kiessling was second I think. Crazy that Loew does not call him up even as just an option from the bench.

 

[City_Sean]

Dortmund are in for Immobile. I don't know much about him, but it seems like it won't be a good signing. He is co-owned by Juventus and surely if he had much about him then Juventus would be keen to keep him. It's not like they are blessed with incredible striking talent. Dortmund would be better served buying young and German like Werner.

Disagree, Hes Young and will improve, he's a very good player, and playing with better standard of players at Dortmund will improve him massively.

As I said before I don't know him or know how good he is. I only question why Juentus don't want him if he is so talented. It's not like they have amazing strikers themselves or are better than Dortmund. It's not a good sign for me that Dortmund are going for a player that a weaker team like Juventus don't want.

Another interesting stat is that no player has contributed more goals and assist over the last 3 years in the Bundesliga than Marco Reus. Has to win player of the season. Oddly enough Kiessling was second I think. Crazy that Loew does not call him up even as just an option from the bench.

The shame is that Dortmund need to spend a lot to start competing with Bayern again, at the moment, the squad just isn't good enough. The strangest thing is that Klopp seems to have changed the team from the way they were last year, they don't seem to play with the same pace and technical aspects that they did last year.

 

[supercrystal7]

Disagree, Hes Young and will improve, he's a very good player, and playing with better standard of players at Dortmund will improve him massively.

As I said before I don't know him or know how good he is. I only question why Juentus don't want him if he is so talented. It's not like they have amazing strikers themselves or are better than Dortmund. It's not a good sign for me that Dortmund are going for a player that a weaker team like Juventus don't want.

Another interesting stat is that no player has contributed more goals and assist over the last 3 years in the Bundesliga than Marco Reus. Has to win player of the season. Oddly enough Kiessling was second I think. Crazy that Loew does not call him up even as just an option from the bench.

The shame is that Dortmund need to spend a lot to start competing with Bayern again, at the moment, the squad just isn't good enough. The strangest thing is that Klopp seems to have changed the team from the way they were last year, they don't seem to play with the same pace and technical aspects that they did last year.

What do you call spending a lot to start competing with Bayern again? This summer they have bought Ramos and Sahin already for about 15 million Euros. They might buy Ginter for around another 10 million Euros.

Apart from that I think they need 2 more players. A young striker with the potential to be world class and a world no10. It seems they are going for Immobile and that would cost around 15 million Euros. Though for that much I think they could probably prize Werner, Volland or Drmic away who I think would do very well.

The problem is the no10 which would cost a lot of money. They would need to spend another 30 million Euros on this player and there are not many available. The best thing to do would be to try and buy out Meyer's release clause, but that is very complicated due to the rivalry. Worse the board have said they are not looking for a no10. In an ideal situation they sell Mkhitaryan to Liverpool and invest that money in Shaqiri and a no10.

Realistically they are only about 60 million euros away from Bayern, but the money will have to be spent well and that's not including wages. They still have a squad with the likes of Piszcek, Hummels, Subotic, Sokratis, Schmelzer, Bender, Gundogan, Wiedenfeller, Reus and Mkhitaryan.

EDIT
Dortmund could probably afford to gamble and spend the money required this summer, but the fear ofgoing into administration hangs over the club. I know how that feels like for a fan and it's very worrying knowing your club may not exist. The board might be a little overcautious and almost certainly won't spend. The problem is that next season will probably be the last season where they have 3 or more world class players in the same team.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

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The problem I have with RB is stuff like raising the membership fees to astronomical high fees to avoid "common fans" to become members and actually have a word in the direction the club is taking.

Why is it such a problem?

 

[Rhineland]

But no, we can't have an upstart club from the East doing well, can we?

Sorry mate, you're totally missing the point here. It's got absolutely nothing to do with "West vs East", nothing. RB Leipzig could be anywhere - be it north, west or south- in Germany and still be hated as much as they already are. It's not about geography, not at all, it's what they are.

Makes me wonder if you work for the company, the way you get agitated by defending the existence of this c l u b...

 

[Innsbruckblue]

But no, we can't have an upstart club from the East doing well, can we?

Sorry mate, you're totally missing the point here. It's got absolutely nothing to do with "West vs East", nothing. RB Leipzig could be anywhere - be it north, west or south- in Germany and still be hated as much as they already are. It's not about geography, not at all, it's what they are.

Makes me wonder if you work for the company, the way you get agitated by defending the existence of this c l u b...

I don't work for them and can't stand the drink. I lived in Leipzig for 11 years and saw the crap that passes for football there. Lok against Chemie - two sets of fans who are both complete wankers. Now the city has a team which families can watch. A club that's brought the city together. My problem is this hatred that fans of 'Traditionsvereine' have against clubs like Hoffenheim and RB, because they're 'upstarts', threatening the status quo. I'm still yet to hear from any German football fan what the difference between Bayer Leverkusen and RB is, apart from the members thing. If you can explain that to me, then I'm all ears.

 

[Rhineland]

Better don't ask me to defend Leverkusen.

Mmmmh, there's a difference in the history of thes two c l u b s. B***R-Company was actually founded in the Rhine/Ruhr area and later established their headquarters in Leverkusen itself over a 100 years ago. One cannot say anything similar about RB and Leipzig, can you?

Still, nowadays both c l u b s are there to serve one purpose only: publicity, promotion of the company's name and brands, help selling its products.

Both are soulless c l u b s, don't stand for themselves but for their companies.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Better don't ask me to defend Leverkusen.

Mmmmh, there's a difference in the history of thes two c l u b s. B***R-Company was actually founded in the Rhine/Ruhr area and later established their headquarters in Leverkusen itself over a 100 years ago. One cannot say anything similar about RB and Leipzig, can you?

Still, nowadays both c l u b s are there to serve one purpose only: publicity, promotion of the company's name and brands, help selling its products.

Both are soulless c l u b s, don't stand for themselves but for their companies.

As I said, no one in Germany can highlight the difference between Bayer Leverkusen (Traditionsverein) and RB Leipzig.