Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Maldeika]

What's the story Bayern fans dressed up to recreate the t mobile logo? They are there very week.

I think they get paid to do it

I wonder how much. Are they regular fans or just random guys who work for t mobile?

They are employees from T-Mobile that probably get the ticket free from them.

 

[davymcfc]

I think they get paid to do it

I wonder how much. Are they regular fans or just random guys who work for t mobile?

They are employees from T-Mobile that probably get the ticket free from them.

That's a bit shit. It would have been better if they were random fans who got paid to do it. Maybe a free season ticket or summat.

 

[supercrystal7]

Just mentioned on Eurosport exactly what I was thinking. The tempo in the Bundesliga has been terrible this calendar year and at the moment there is still no quality. The standard of football after this winter break has been awful. It's worse than the Championship and that is not an exaggeration. If Leverkusen and Schalke don't step up they will be thrashed in the Cl; something really embarrassing like 5 differential in aggregate. Dortmund probably won't beat Zenith either.

 

[supercrystal7]

Don't know why I said Eurosport and not BT sport. Anyway was another very poor game, but slightly better in the second half. A very good goal from Son, but he should have been closed down. Leverkusen are really not very good so you have to hand it to them for being 2nd in the league and through to the last 16. Bender is wasted on the right of the 4-3-3.

EDIT
They just mentioned if the winter break is the reason for the lack of intensity and poor performances in the Bundesliga this calendar year.

 

[bayern blade]

Just mentioned on Eurosport exactly what I was thinking. The tempo in the Bundesliga has been terrible this calendar year and at the moment there is still no quality. The standard of football after this winter break has been awful. It's worse than the Championship and that is not an exaggeration. If Leverkusen and Schalke don't step up they will be thrashed in the Cl; something really embarrassing like 5 differential in aggregate. Dortmund probably won't beat Zenith either.

Can't agree with much of that tbh but it's all about opinions.

 

[supercrystal7]

Just mentioned on Eurosport exactly what I was thinking. The tempo in the Bundesliga has been terrible this calendar year and at the moment there is still no quality. The standard of football after this winter break has been awful. It's worse than the Championship and that is not an exaggeration. If Leverkusen and Schalke don't step up they will be thrashed in the Cl; something really embarrassing like 5 differential in aggregate. Dortmund probably won't beat Zenith either.

Can't agree with much of that tbh but it's all about opinions.

Yep it's a game of opinions.

Just to clarify I said this calendar year as in after January. The game today, Schalke vs Wolfsburg, Dortmund vs Eintracht were a very low standard for me.

I am not the only one to have this viewpoint. James Richardson, Danny Williams and Kevin Kilbane have all said the same thing.

 

[Maldeika]

It always takes a time after the winter break to get back into rhythm etc. It is like the first matches in August. The final of 16 in the CL is usually more difficult for Bayern than the quarter finals. But you are right - I saw the match and I thought it was poor, too.

 

[Ruhr]

Results:
Borussia Mönchengladbach 0-1 Bayer Leverkusen, att. 54, 010 (sold out)
0-1 Son 62. Min
Gladbach for 25 years without a home win against Bayer. Unbelievable record.

Werder Bremen 1-5 Borussia Dortmund, att. 42,100 (sold out)
0-1 Lewandowski 26. Min
0-2 Mkhitaryan 41. Min
0-3 Friedrich 48. Min
0-4 Mkhitaryan 62. Min
0-5 Lewandowski 85. Min
1-5 Aycicek 89. Min
I wonder, if Werder has already realized that they are on their way to Bundesliga 2

SC Freiburg 1-1 1899 Hoffenheim, att 22,300
1-0 Schmid 68. Min
1-1 Modeste 85. Min
Freiburg misses another chance for a breakthrough

Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 Eintracht Braunschweig, att. 40,500
1-0 Flum 7. Min.
2-0 Meier 43. Min
3-0 Aigner 44. Min
Braunschweig looks like they had already given up

Hamburger SV 0-3 Hertha BSC, att. 48, 593
0-1 Allagui 15. Min
0-2 Ramos 23. Min
0-3 Ramos 38.,Min
Finally after 52 years the HSV story is coming to an end. Incredible performances. 0-9 in three matches. Rioting after the match, when HSV fans attacked their players at the stadium car park

VfL Wolfsburg 3-0 Mainz 05, att. 23,520
1-0 Rodríguez 59. Min, pen
2-0 Dost 66. Min
3-0 Gustavo 75. Min

1.FC Nürnberg 0-2 Bayern München, att. 50,000 (sold out)
0-1 Mandžukić 18. Min
0-2 Lahm 49. MIn

 

[Maldeika]

The pitch in Nuremberg was very bad - a lot holes and absolutely dry. Probably Nürnberg thought it will be an advantage for them like this. But that probably backfired - two of their players got badly injured - won with a torn ligament - the other one rupted his outer meniscus.

It was the 45th consecutive match without a loss in the Bundesliga (6 of it were draws) - the 29th consecutive match without loss away (4 of it were draws)

 

[supercrystal7]

The pitch in Nuremberg was very bad - a lot holes and absolutely dry. Probably Nürnberg thought it will be an advantage for them like this. But that probably backfired - two of their players got badly injured - won with a torn ligament - the other one rupted his outer meniscus.

It was the 45th consecutive match without a loss in the Bundesliga (6 of it were draws) - the 29th consecutive match without loss away (4 of it were draws)

Always a shame to hear about players getting serious injuries.

Very impressive record, but it's up to the Bundesliga teams to try and put an end to it.

Seen clips of the Mkhitaryan goal. Very similar to the Hazard goal today.

It seems like one of the the big guns are actually going to get relegated. Hamburg are in free fall.

 

[bayern blade]

It seems like one of the the big guns are actually going to get relegated. Hamburg are in free fall.

Hamburg look doomed, they've got Bayern in the Cup on Wednesday too. I've Just seen Kreuzer and van Marwijk interviewed and you can see that behind all the talk there is nothing, they know they have had it.

 

[Maldeika]

The pitch in Nuremberg was very bad - a lot holes and absolutely dry. Probably Nürnberg thought it will be an advantage for them like this. But that probably backfired - two of their players got badly injured - won with a torn ligament - the other one rupted his outer meniscus.

It was the 45th consecutive match without a loss in the Bundesliga (6 of it were draws) - the 29th consecutive match without loss away (4 of it were draws)

Always a shame to hear about players getting serious injuries.

Very impressive record, but it's up to the Bundesliga teams to try and put an end to it.

Seen clips of the Mkhitaryan goal. Very similar to the Hazard goal today.

It seems like one of the the big guns are actually going to get relegated. Hamburg are in free fall.

If you see how the injuries happened it looks like the not watering (or even putting sand on the pitch) has backfired. They might not have happened on a proper ground. It is pretty normal that Bayern does not get the pitch abroad in the way they would want it - they only complain (and Sammer did this before the match) when it exceeds a special standard.

It is not about the strength of the Bundesliga. Actually the Bundesliga and the types you have there - a lot of the teams are built up similar to Dortmund with excellent teamwork and based on solid defensive organisation and counter attacking - somehow that is like an antidote to the ball possession system like you experienced on your own with Dortmund.

Yes, Bayern has the best team and should usually beat everybody. But that is no foregone conclusion if you look at the systems of the Bundesliga teams when everybody runs their asses of in every match against your team. They for sure do not lay down and tell you that you can take advantage of them - it is often hard work like this weekend and not like a Gala like at Frankfurt who did not take up the fight. A loss against Bayern is nothing special - but a win saves the season...

The real challenge is to bring in the mentality and character into every match that you have to not take it easy and work for your result. And that is what Bayern does and what is the most special about this team since the treble loss one and a half years ago. They had compleancy moments - but that is somehow understandable - and they usually did not backfire. Call it luck - but you have to work for your luck and believe in it, too.

Two years ago in that treble second season they lost a lot of their away matches, always lost or drew when the opponent shot the first goal etc. The away table had them with 9 wins, 5 losses and 3 draws and 28:16 - that is where they lost the championship. The home table almost looked like the year later. Since then they played 29 away matches with 25 wins and 4 draws and they always shot atleast one goal. They scored 73 and received only 13 goals - kept a clean sheet in 18 matches. They only received once a goal more than 1 - in the last match of the last season where they somehow had a really bad start and caught 3 goals in the first 10 minutes but won at the end with 4:3.

Away in the CL it is the same since the BATE match in the group stage since which they have not lost an away match - and they won all since they qualified for the final stages of the CL last year. 6 away matches with a 14:2 goal difference - or 7 and 16:3 if you add the CL final.

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About Hamburg - pure comedy. There team is not really that bad - but they are not team and there is something wrong with the club and the officials. It is easy to blame anything on the players and the performances - there is a saying in Germany that the fish starts to stink at the head... (and people who live in the North of Germany near the Baltic or the North Sea are often called fishheads...)

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Reus is out for Dortmund for 2 weeks because of a muscle rupture. Sven Bender is out for a week because of a muscle injury...

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Badstuber was starting to run on the pitch today with all Bayern players applauding... But I guess it is somehow too late for him to get into shape until the World Cup - his break was too long and he will need time until he will be the old Badstuber.

 

[supercrystal7]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Great to see Badstuber getting on a run out.

Reus being injured is a huge blow to Dortmund. Have not seen the game yesterday yet, but he has carried them this season.

A bigger problem Bayern are going to have is keeping everyone happy. Players are going to have to leave in the summer.

Have a friend from Hamburg and have never heard the 'fishead' comment before, but the club is being run terribly. They should be doing much better.

Stuttgart struggling as well, but they have some good players. Werner needs to start playing upfront next year though.

 

[supercrystal7]

Was watching the United game, but Meyer scored once more for Schalke. 25 million Euro release fee is a bargain. In a strange situation where none of the top teams need a no 10 except for Dortmund so he might stay, but at the same time he is probably the most talented 10 about except for Gotze.

 

[bayern blade]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Great to see Badstuber getting on a run out.

Reus being injured is a huge blow to Dortmund. Have not seen the game yesterday yet, but he has carried them this season.

A bigger problem Bayern are going to have is keeping everyone happy. Players are going to have to leave in the summer.

Have a friend from Hamburg and have never heard the 'fishead' comment before, but the club is being run terribly. They should be doing much better.

Stuttgart struggling as well, but they have some good players. Werner needs to start playing upfront next year though.

A - Only out for two weeks I think.

B - Heynckes was brilliant at keeping them all happy and Guardiola seems good at it too, up to now anyway.

C - HSV and Werder are always called Fischköpfe over here, always have been.<br /><br />-- Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:25 pm --<br /><br />

Was watching the United game, but Meyer scored once more for Schalke. 25 million Euro release fee is a bargain. In a strange situation where none of the top teams need a no 10 except for Dortmund so he might stay, but at the same time he is probably the most talented 10 about except for Gotze.

Will be a much better player than the overrated Draxler imo.

 

[supercrystal7]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Great to see Badstuber getting on a run out.

Reus being injured is a huge blow to Dortmund. Have not seen the game yesterday yet, but he has carried them this season.

A bigger problem Bayern are going to have is keeping everyone happy. Players are going to have to leave in the summer.

Have a friend from Hamburg and have never heard the 'fishead' comment before, but the club is being run terribly. They should be doing much better.

Stuttgart struggling as well, but they have some good players. Werner needs to start playing upfront next year though.

A - Only out for two weeks I think.

B - Heynckes was brilliant at keeping them all happy and Guardiola seems good at it too, up to now anyway.

C - HSV and Werder are always called Fischköpfe over here, always have been.

-- Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:25 pm --

Was watching the United game, but Meyer scored once more for Schalke. 25 million Euro release fee is a bargain. In a strange situation where none of the top teams need a no 10 except for Dortmund so he might stay, but at the same time he is probably the most talented 10 about except for Gotze.

Will be a much better player than the overrated Draxler imo.

1. Hopefully they let him recover properly and don't rush him back.
2. This season there is more competition with Gotze coming and Thiago coming in (it can be argued that Lahm replaced Gustavo in the squad). Then you have Lewandowski coming in next season.
3. I guess it's not the sort of thing they call each other. Have heard of Kartoffelkopf, but never Fischkoepfe.


I think Meyer will be too, but I don't think Draxler is overrated. Draxler seems a bit too arrogant at the moment and thinks he has already made it. He needs a manager to put him straight and really put the work in. He is still only 20.

 

[Maldeika]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Haven't you watched last year? Guardiola is pretty flexible and I know that he really is keen to have Schweinsteiger and Martinez in form back. He has all kind of options then. He uses what he has right now and often adapts this tactics in matches. That is really interesting to watch. I think that he would have played Gustavo more than Gustavo had thought in August if he would have known more about the Bundesliga. That is why I am pretty sure that Martinez might not be used in every match but in the most. But the priviledge to play always probably only the defense and Neuer have.

That Badstuber is back is really great. I hope he fully recovers - it will take a time.

 

[Ruhr]

sunday results
VfB Stuttgart 1-4 FC Augsburg, att. 40, 200
0 - 1 Milik 35.
0 - 2 Hahn 43.
0 - 3 Hahn 56.
1 - 3 Rausch 62.
1 - 4 Werner 64.
red card: Ibisevic
Simply unbelievable, the performances of Hamburg, Bremen and Stuttgart this season. Could be one of the Bundesliga giants going down this season.

Schalke 04 2-0 Hannover 96, att 61, 307
1 - 0 Farfán 39.
2 - 0 Meyer 44.
best performance of Schalke this season. Sadly Höwedes and Uchida out for three weeks.

1 Bayern München 56 53:9

2 Bay.Leverkusen 43 37:20
3 Bor.Dortmund 39 47:24

4 FC Schalke 04 37 39:29

5 Bor.M'gladbach 33 36:25
6 VfL Wolfsburg 33 33:24

7 Hertha BSC Berlin 31 31:24
8 FC Augsburg 31 30:29
9 FSV Mainz 05 30 29:35
10 Hannover 96 24 29:35
11 TSG Hoffenheim 22 40:43
12 Etr.Frankfurt 21 24:34
13 Werder Bremen 20 24:45
14 VfB Stuttgart 19 33:41
15 SC Freiburg 18 20:36

16 1.FC Nürnberg 17 24:36

17 Hamburger SV 16 33:47
18 Etr.Braunschw. 12 11:37

Bundesliga 2

1 1.FC Köln 39 32:11
2 SpVgg Greuther Fürth 35 36:24

3 FC Kaiserslautern 34 34:21

4 Karlsruher SC 32 27:18
5 1.FC Union Berlin 32 31:26
6 FC St.Pauli 32 28:25
7 SC Paderborn 32 33:32
8 SV Sandhausen 30 18:17
9 1860 München 28 18:21
10 Fortuna Düsseldorf 25 21:29
11 FSV Frankfurt 24 29:30
12 VfR Aalen 24 20:23
13 VfL Bochum 23 19:22
14 FC Ingolstadt 22 19:27
15 DSC Arminia Bielefeld 22 29:38

16 FC Erzgebirge Aue 22 23:32

17 Dynamo Dresden 22 20:29
18 Energie Cottbus 13 21:33

 

[supercrystal7]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Haven't you watched last year? Guardiola is pretty flexible and I know that he really is keen to have Schweinsteiger and Martinez in form back. He has all kind of options then. He uses what he has right now and often adapts this tactics in matches. That is really interesting to watch. I think that he would have played Gustavo more than Gustavo had thought in August if he would have known more about the Bundesliga. That is why I am pretty sure that Martinez might not be used in every match but in the most. But the priviledge to play always probably only the defense and Neuer have.

That Badstuber is back is really great. I hope he fully recovers - it will take a time.

Last year was last year and you had a different system. I can say that the Bayern team of 2012/2013 was the best club side I have ever seen. So strong and with no weakness. There was no way to beat them. Even the Barca team of 09 could were outplayed and were lucky to get past Chelsea. That Bayern team there was no gameplan you could implement. Technically brilliant, tall, strong, pace, disciplined, creative etc. Add Gotze and Lewandowski to it and it almost becomes unfair.


This year though I am not sure the balance is right. When you come up against the likes of Chelsea or Madrid will be the big tester for me.

 

[Maldeika]

I am still waiting to see how Bayern do against the other top teams in the Champions League.

Haven't you watched last year? Guardiola is pretty flexible and I know that he really is keen to have Schweinsteiger and Martinez in form back. He has all kind of options then. He uses what he has right now and often adapts this tactics in matches. That is really interesting to watch. I think that he would have played Gustavo more than Gustavo had thought in August if he would have known more about the Bundesliga. That is why I am pretty sure that Martinez might not be used in every match but in the most. But the priviledge to play always probably only the defense and Neuer have.

That Badstuber is back is really great. I hope he fully recovers - it will take a time.

Last year was last year and you had a different system. I can say that the Bayern team of 2012/2013 was the best club side I have ever seen. So strong and with no weakness. There was no way to beat them. Even the Barca team of 09 could were outplayed and were lucky to get past Chelsea. That Bayern team there was no gameplan you could implement. Technically brilliant, tall, strong, pace, disciplined, creative etc. Add Gotze and Lewandowski to it and it almost becomes unfair.


This year though I am not sure the balance is right. When you come up against the likes of Chelsea or Madrid will be the big tester for me.

Like I said, we never had the team available for that matches. I think a Martinez will be important against this kind of opponents. And of everything I know Pep does not mind to change his plan if it is better for the team. Yes, he has a special idea of the match - but he is not bound to it if there is better ones.