Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[George Hannah]

I am mildly surprised there isn't a single mention of Ribery's buttock in this thread.

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

Can't wait until Badstüber returns. One of my favourite CB's.

Anyway, who do you guys think will come up this year from the 2. Bundesliga? Whoever it is, will they be like Fürth? I presume Kaiserslautern, Köln and Düsseldorf are up there?

Also, what do you think of Max Meyer, Max Arnold and Timo Werner. They look good players with great futures, but we've seen that with a lot of young players who have ended up being flops.

Badstuber started running this week. But it take awhile until he will be matchfit and after that it will take some time until he is in the shape of before. Maybe he will be able to play at the end of the season in some dead rubbers. I hope he will be fine next season.

Köln should make it. But the second (and maybe the third as that team has to play against the 16th of the Bundesliga in the relegation matches) spot there is five or six teams running for.

The young ones - are quality but you cannot say right now how high their ceiling will be. They should atleast be very good Bundesligaplayers - but it could be more. Time will tell.

If Badstüber returns to full fitness, I can see him blossoming in this Bayern side. As he is just the type of player Pep likes.

As you said about the young players, we don't know about there full potential. However I find it strange that ( in the UK at least) Max Arnold hasn't even been mentioned at all, whereas Max Meyer has had quite a bit of hype.

 

[Ruhr]

I take back my words about English teams being patient with Draxler if he had moved for a big price. Others were right the criticism and abuse he would get might destroy a young player. I think only managers like Ferguson or Mourinho could protect him. It's best he stays in Schalke and focuses on making them a force. If they believed they would have a shot at beating Madrid, but we all know they won't believe.

What made you change your mind? The problem is always that this guys will change with a big transfer sum - that makes fans greedy and impatient. And the premier league is a lot more physical.

Magath is coach in Fulham now. Make a bet on Fulham not going down. He is the best fireworker - none of the teams he took over in bad situation was relegated. It will be the fittest team in the league...

Sascha Riether played 77 matches with Magath before at Wolfsburg - Holtby some at Schalke - Dejagah 106 matches.

Holtby will be very lucky, lol

 

[Ruhr]

Anyway, who do you guys think will come up this year from the 2. Bundesliga? Whoever it is, will they be like Fürth? I presume Kaiserslautern, Köln and Düsseldorf are up there?
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Köln seems to be on their way back to the Bundesliga. Obviously i´m not happy about that. But to be fair, as a club they belong in the Bundesliga. Historically they were the main force behind the introduction of the Bundesliga in the 1960s.
The rest is up to Fürth, Kaiserslautern, KSC, Union Berlin or St. Pauli.

Kaiserslautern is one of the clubs with the biggest tradition in the country, Union and St. Pauli would be great for the atmosphere. I think, it is too early for KSC and Fürth is only interesting for Nürnberg, the oldest derby in germany.

 

[supercrystal7]

I take back my words about English teams being patient with Draxler if he had moved for a big price. Others were right the criticism and abuse he would get might destroy a young player. I think only managers like Ferguson or Mourinho could protect him. It's best he stays in Schalke and focuses on making them a force. If they believed they would have a shot at beating Madrid, but we all know they won't believe.

What made you change your mind?

Probably because of the stick Ozil has been getting lately.

The moment Draxler has a bad spell and the media will be all over him. Such a young player might be affected very badly by that.

Yes this in the main reason, but even things I have heard from my own fans about players at a low level have changed my mind. Draxler should be happy he stayed.

 

[supercrystal7]

Can't wait until Badstüber returns. One of my favourite CB's.

Anyway, who do you guys think will come up this year from the 2. Bundesliga? Whoever it is, will they be like Fürth? I presume Kaiserslautern, Köln and Düsseldorf are up there?

Also, what do you think of Max Meyer, Max Arnold and Timo Werner. They look good players with great futures, but we've seen that with a lot of young players who have ended up being flops.

Maz Meyer and Timo Werner are special talents and could reach the top of the game. I don't rate Arnold as high as those two, but he has a powerful, accurate shot and has a knack for scoring goals.

If I was to compare the three to otherplayers.

Max Meyer is like Gotze, though not as talented. I think he needs to try and take a few more risk, but he is very young and growing in confidence.

Timo Werner is like a young Michael Owen, but not quite as explosive or clinical yet. Needs a bit more composure in front of goal and perhaps to play upfront. He is a bigger and stronger man than Owen was at the same age.

Arnold reminds me of a young Lampard, but he does not have Lampard's incredible fitness.

EDIT

Usually I would want Fulham to stay up, but they are competing with my team Crystal Palace so I would rather Magath not do very well. Holtby has only recently moved. Saw him against United where I thought he did well with what he had and he seemed to have a good game from the highlights against Liverpool.

 

[Bembeltown]

Most likely Holtby was crying himself to sleep last night....He knows what is going to happen when Felix takes over!

"While in charge of Wolfsburg during a training camp in July 2008 in Switzerland Magath declared after a team lunch that training would be canceled for the day. Instead the players would be rewarded with coffee and cake at a nearby location with the provision that the players retain their training attire just in case. As the players prepared to board the gondola that took them up the mountain to the coffee house their delight was soon replaced with horror as Magath told them they would get there by running the full 2362 meters. They ran for two and a half hours straight up the hill with Magath running right behind the team. Their star striker Grafite collapsed before the end and had to be carried down the valley on a stretcher while other players broke down in tears as they reached the summit where they were finally able to enjoy their coffee and cake."

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

Anyway, who do you guys think will come up this year from the 2. Bundesliga? Whoever it is, will they be like Fürth? I presume Kaiserslautern, Köln and Düsseldorf are up there?
.

Köln seems to be on their way back to the Bundesliga. Obviously i´m not happy about that. But to be fair, as a club they belong in the Bundesliga. Historically they were the main force behind the introduction of the Bundesliga in the 1960s.
The rest is up to Fürth, Kaiserslautern, KSC, Union Berlin or St. Pauli.

Kaiserslautern is one of the clubs with the biggest tradition in the country, Union and St. Pauli would be great for the atmosphere. I think, it is too early for KSC and Fürth is only interesting for Nürnberg, the oldest derby in germany.

Would be interesting to see St Pauli get promoted. But it would be a shame to see HSV relegated at the same time, because that would be some derby.

Is there any standout players in the 2. Liga that could make a name for themselves? I imagine Ujah and Idrissou are doing well. Is there any youth players this season like Goretzka at Bochum last season?<br /><br />-- Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:32 am --<br /><br />

Can't wait until Badstüber returns. One of my favourite CB's.

Anyway, who do you guys think will come up this year from the 2. Bundesliga? Whoever it is, will they be like Fürth? I presume Kaiserslautern, Köln and Düsseldorf are up there?

Also, what do you think of Max Meyer, Max Arnold and Timo Werner. They look good players with great futures, but we've seen that with a lot of young players who have ended up being flops.

Maz Meyer and Timo Werner are special talents and could reach the top of the game. I don't rate Arnold as high as those two, but he has a powerful, accurate shot and has a knack for scoring goals.

If I was to compare the three to otherplayers.

Max Meyer is like Gotze, though not as talented. I think he needs to try and take a few more risk, but he is very young and growing in confidence.

Timo Werner is like a young Michael Owen, but not quite as explosive or clinical yet. Needs a bit more composure in front of goal and perhaps to play upfront. He is a bigger and stronger man than Owen was at the same age.

Arnold reminds me of a young Lampard, but he does not have Lampard's incredible fitness.

EDIT

Usually I would want Fulham to stay up, but they are competing with my team Crystal Palace so I would rather Magath not do very well. Holtby has only recently moved. Saw him against United where I thought he did well with what he had and he seemed to have a good game from the highlights against Liverpool.

Good point regarding Arnold. I just hope all three have the time to develop and aren't bought for ridiculous fees at such a young

 

[Ruhr]

Most likely Holty was crying himself to sleep last night....He knows what is going to happen when Felix takes over!

"While in charge of Wolfsburg during a training camp in July 2008 in Switzerland Magath declared after a team lunch that training would be canceled for the day. Instead the players would be rewarded with coffee and cake at a nearby location with the provision that the players retain their training attire just in case. As the players prepared to board the gondola that took them up the mountain to the coffee house their delight was soon replaced with horror as Magath told them they would get there by running the full 2362 meters. They ran for two and a half hours straight up the hill with Magath running right behind the team. Their star striker Grafite collapsed before the end and had to be carried down the valley on a stretcher while other players broke down in tears as they reached the summit where they were finally able to enjoy their coffee and cake."

After his time on Schalke i can hardly name any manager that i hate more than him.

 

[Bembeltown]

Most likely Holty was crying himself to sleep last night....He knows what is going to happen when Felix takes over!

"While in charge of Wolfsburg during a training camp in July 2008 in Switzerland Magath declared after a team lunch that training would be canceled for the day. Instead the players would be rewarded with coffee and cake at a nearby location with the provision that the players retain their training attire just in case. As the players prepared to board the gondola that took them up the mountain to the coffee house their delight was soon replaced with horror as Magath told them they would get there by running the full 2362 meters. They ran for two and a half hours straight up the hill with Magath running right behind the team. Their star striker Grafite collapsed before the end and had to be carried down the valley on a stretcher while other players broke down in tears as they reached the summit where they were finally able to enjoy their coffee and cake."

After his time on Schalke i can hardly name any manager that i hate more than him.

He is the equivalent of Fat Sam and Pulis in the PL. Completely outdated style of football.....

@MCFCHOWELL: Idrissou is a second divison player and thats what he is good at. Been useless in the top flight.

 

[Ruhr]

Most likely Holty was crying himself to sleep last night....He knows what is going to happen when Felix takes over!

After his time on Schalke i can hardly name any manager that i hate more than him.

He is the equivalent of Fat Sam and Pulis in the PL. Completely outdated style of football.....

it wasn´t him as a coach, it was him as a club manager. In his final days Schalke fans were fighting each others in the stands. There was never a manager, who divided people more than him. Fans were completely alienated from the club in the end. Not to talk about the mad transfers he made, which finally cost him his job.

 

[ICT-Tam]

It will certainly be interesting to watch him here. I suppose he's as much been hired as a man who is capable of taking them back up, should they get relegated. I remember schalke fans made a banner that was just a thumbs down, was that directed at Magath?

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

I don't expect him to stick around if Fulham go down.

 

[Maldeika]

I do not know why they only talk about players that had problems with Magath's style - there were others, too. Draxler e.g. was brought into the team from Magath with 17 and Raul came because of him and told that his training made him 5 years younger. Lahm made his first 2 years with him as professional. There is no wonder that a Misimovic fared very well with him in his time at Wolfsburg (before or later he had problems) as he comes out of Hermann Gerland's hands - everybody that came out of the Bavarian U21 never had any problems with either Magath or van Gaal. Brazzo (Hasan Salihamidzic) was introduced by him in his first coaching time in Hamburg and is still very loyal with him - even returned from Juve to join Wolfsburg because of him. Mehmet Scholl at Wednesday told in German TV that he would be great in the Hamburg situation and that he was good for his career.

Actually a lot of the Schalke starting 11 was brought in by Magath. Players like Uchida, Huntelaar, Raul, Papadoupoulous etc. Yes, he bought a lot of players - but he bought rather cheap and their were a lot gems in that. At the end he should even have made more money for Schalke than he has burnt.

I guess his English should be ok. He did more than the basic school and there even for his age English was obligatory. (My Mom just did the basic schools and she did not learn English as the books costed money and my Grandparents at that time were building a house). His father was an US Army soldier from Puerto Rico who left his mom very early - but he had contact with him from age 15 on. So he probably always was in need to use English.

I know a little bit more about Magath as he comes from my area. He went to the school my son went in for a year, my first English teacher was a classmate of him and my son worked a year with his cousin.

Magath might be a tough dog - but he has his result and had a lot of success. His first years as a coach he got himself a reputation as a fireworker that rescued teams that were in danger of relegation - and he always was successful. And after that he was very successful to even get German Champion with teams like Stuttgart and Wolfsburg.

Of your players or ex-players Dzeko and Hargreaves won the Bundesliga with him.

 

[Ruhr]

. At the end he should even have made more money for Schalke than he has burnt. .

Surely that was why the auditors warned the supervisory board about things going terribly wrong.

 

[bayern blade]

Hamburg are f##ked.

 

[Maldeika]

Hamburg are f##ked.

Yes, the probability that Fulham gets saved is bigger than that of Hamburg... ;)

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

Is Hochsdeit? ( not sure on spelling ) the one that used to play for Erzgeberge Aue?

 

[Maldeika]

Is Hochsdeit? ( not sure on spelling ) the one that used to play for Erzgeberge Aue?

You mean Jan Hochscheidt who scored the last goal for Braunschweig against Hamburg. Yes - he came from Aue.

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Van Marwijk in Hamburg fired. Seems like Mirko Slomka (former Hannover coach) will take over.

 

[supercrystal7]

Bayern rested half their team and still looked so strong. Such an amazing squad. The race for fourth looking like it could be over soon. It looks like the same four as last year. Wolfsburg with the money they have will probably take Gladbach's place. Dortmund killed Frankfurt on the counter. If they make the cup final, the CL quarters and get top 3 then Klopp has worked wonders considering the injury crisis.