Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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Does this mean that 1860 will be staying at the Allianz?


Funny because I’m still in the office, yet I was punching the air when 1860 scored the winner.


It reminded me of a game at Edgeley Park around 2001 when Crystal Palace needed to win to have a chance of staying in the Championship.

I was in the away end with a Palace supporting colleague, and when Dougie Freeman scored in the last minute, I invaded the pitch with all the Palace fans
 
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Yeep, glad they won and stay up, but as has been mentioned here before, as long as they (have to) share a stadium with FC Bayern, they are on a lost cause.

P.S. for free TV live coverage schedule check here http://www.fussballgucken.info/fussball-deine-suche?competition=&media=&team=&date=&s=Suchen
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They do not have to stay in the Arena. We would have loved them to go into the 3rd league so we have the Arena for ourselves, get red seats etc. Would be really nice. They even could go now. The City had offered them to extend the Hermann-Gerland-Kampfbahn aka Grünwalder Stadium to 20.000. But even in that question they never will speak with one voice.

The Hamburg Dino is a really good managed club against 1860. There is nothing romantic in it. That club is in selfdestruction mode since the end of the 60s but in the recent years it has really gotten ridiculous. Everybody in this club working against each other - they do not need to have fights with the outside - they have so much turmoil inside that somewhen it probably will implode. They are just a comedy show of a club...

There were a lot 60 fans that even wanted to go down in third league as they hoped that that might be better for the club.
 
Thats Bayern like ,let 60 pay their stadium and throw them out when its done .

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Top 3 Leagues are completed

Bundesliga


Bayern München
VfL Wolfsburg
Borussia Mönchengladbach
Bayer Leverkusen
FC Augsburg
Schalke 04
Borussia Dortmund
TSG Hoffenheim
Eintracht Frankfurt
Werder Bremen
Mainz 05
1. FC Köln
Hannover 96
VFB Stuttgart
Hertha BSC
Hamburger SV
FC Ingolstadt
SV Darmstadt 98


Derby time next season
Distance from ground to ground/ driving time without traffic (according to google)
Köln vs Leverkusen 22,9 Kilometres, 24 min
Frankfurt vs. Darmstadt 32,4 KM 25 min
Schalke vs. Dortmund 36,8 KM, 24 min
Mainz vs Frankfurt 42,5 KM, 26 min
Mainz vs Darmstadt 46,8 KM, 35 min
Mönchengladbach vs. Köln 60,4 KM, 40 min
München vs. Ingolstadt 70,3 KM, 40 min
Mönchengladbach vs. Leverkusen 72,3 KM, 49 min
München vs. Augsburg 77,1 KM, 42 min
Hoffenheim vs Stuttgart 83,9 KM, 52 min
Wolfsburg vs Hannover 96 km, 60 min
Bremen vs Hamburg 115 km 65 min

Bundesliga 2

SC Freiburg
SC Paderborn
Karlsruher SC
1. FC Kaiserslautern
RB Leipzig
Eintracht Braunschweig
Union Berlin
1.FC Heidenheim
1.FC Nürnberg
Fortuna Düsseldorf
VFL Bochum
SV Sandhausen
FSV Frankfurt
Greuther Fürth
FC St. Pauli
1860 München
Arminia Bielefeld
MSV Duisburg

League 3

with eight clubs from east germany now in it there are many jokes about the revival of the old GDR league. Just BFC Dynamo, Carl Zeiss Jena and the two Leipzig clubs Lokomotive and Chemie missing (and Union Berlin, the only one left in Bundesliga 2)

Erzgebirge Aue
VFR Aalen
Holstein Kiel
Stuttgarter Kickers
Chemnitzer FC
Dynamo Dresden
Energie Cottbus
Preußen Münster
SV Wehen Wiesbaden
Hallescher FC
VFL Osnabrück
RW Erfurt
VFB Stuttgart U 23
Fortuna Köln
Sonnenhof Großaspach
Mainz 05 U 23
Hansa Rostock
Werder Bremen U 23
1.FC Magdeburg
Würzburger Kickers
 
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Thats Bayern like ,let 60 pay their stadium and throw them out when its done .

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What bullocks.
The problem is that whereas 1860 in 2005 still had an average of 40.000 visitors it is 10 to 20.000 now. Yes, the Allianz Arena is too big for them when they only can fill it like this. The rent for the stadium is 1.5 million EUR each season. The problems are the VIP areas, the catering etc. what makes another 3 million extra costs which 1860 has difficulties to finance as they cannot really sell it.

The revenue (Umsatz) and losses of 1860 in the recent seasons (they are in the second league since 2004)

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That Bayern and 1860 were on eye level was already 50 years ago. In the mid of the 1960s they had a really great team and were Bundesliga Champion in 1966. But it went fast down with them as they were relegated to the Regionalliga in 1970. The 70s they mainly spent in the Regionalliga and then in the new 2nd Bundesliga. End of the 70s they went up twice for a year or two into the Bundesliga but could not stay there for long. In 1982 they lost the license for the 2nd Bundesliga because of the finances. They spent the rest of the 80s in the Bayernliga and went up to the 2nd Bundesliga at the start of the 90s and to the Bundesliga in 1994.

From 1994 to 2004 they had the next longer stint in the Bundesliga and could keep themselves in the midtable. But since 2004 they are a permanent member of the 2nd.

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If this club would have a good lead etc. they would have all the chances to be a good midtable club in the Bundesliga. Some years ago they really had a great youth development. They have a fanbase even if you cannot tell anymore that the city is blue and the area around red - that was like this in the past. With them in the 2nd league or even deeper the kids of the last generations often went for the more attractive club in the town. But that is nothing they could not get back. They still seem to have a big enough fanbase if they can fill the stadium for the relegation fights...

But their lead is a full comedy show. Everybody working against the next. Everybody trying to put the blame onto the other one etc.

That says it all - and that are just some of the "little problems" they have...
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You got your wish @Alex-MCFC - Unterhaching v Ingolstadt. Don't suppose you fancy predicting our Champions League group now so I can book my flights while they are cheap? Do you have the Lottery numbers?

Full draw for 1st round of DFB Pokkal:

Erndtebrück / Ahlen (not confirmed yet) - SV Darmstadt 98
Carl Zeiss Jena - Hamburger SV
Arminia Bielefeld - Hertha BSC
FC Viktoria Köln - 1. FC Union Berlin
VfB Lübeck - SC Paderborn 07
SV Meppen - 1. FC Köln
Bahlinger SC - SV Sandhausen
VfL Osnabrück - RasenBallsport Leipzig
Hallescher FC - Eintracht Braunschweig
Energie Cottbus - 1. FSV Mainz 05
Stuttgarter Kickers - VfL Wolfsburg
HSV Barmbek-Uhlenhorst - SC Freiburg
Hansa Rostock - 1. FC Kaiserslautern
Sportfreunde Lotte - Bayer 04 Leverkusen
MSV Duisburg - FC Schalke 04
Rot-Weiss Essen - Fortuna Düsseldorf
Würzburger Kickers - Werder Bremen
Erzgebirge Aue - SpVgg Greuther Fürth
BFC Dynamo - FSV Frankfurt
FSV Salmrohr - VfL Bochum
SSV Reutlingen Fußball - Karlsruher SC
FK Pirmasens - 1. FC Heidenheim
Chemnitzer FC - Borussia Dortmund
SpVgg Unterhaching - FC Ingolstadt 04
SV Elversberg - FC Augsburg
FC Nöttingen - Bayern München
FC St. Pauli - Bor. Mönchengladbach
Hessen Kassel - Hannover 96
Holstein Kiel - VfB Stuttgart
1860 München - TSG Hoffenheim
Bremer SV - Eintracht Frankfurt
VfR Aalen - 1. FC Nürnberg

Ties to be played 7th - 10th August
 
That is seriously weird! I thought that as soon as the draw was made! I may actually go to it, it's pretty feasible as it stands.

As for the Champions League Groups, Bayern and CSKA are the obvious ones and whoever is the hardest team in Pot 4 so probably Lazio.
 
Alex-MCFC said:
That is seriously weird! I thought that as soon as the draw was made! I may actually go to it, it's pretty feasible as it stands.

As for the Champions League Groups, Bayern and CSKA are the obvious ones and whoever is the hardest team in Pot 4 so probably Lazio.
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Are you Michel Platini?
 
cptaidan88 said:
You got your wish @Alex-MCFC - Unterhaching v Ingolstadt. Don't suppose you fancy predicting our Champions League group now so I can book my flights while they are cheap? Do you have the Lottery numbers?

Full draw for 1st round of DFB Pokkal:

Erndtebrück / Ahlen (not confirmed yet) - SV Darmstadt 98
Carl Zeiss Jena - Hamburger SV
Arminia Bielefeld - Hertha BSC
FC Viktoria Köln - 1. FC Union Berlin
VfB Lübeck - SC Paderborn 07
SV Meppen - 1. FC Köln
Bahlinger SC - SV Sandhausen
VfL Osnabrück - RasenBallsport Leipzig
Hallescher FC - Eintracht Braunschweig
Energie Cottbus - 1. FSV Mainz 05
Stuttgarter Kickers - VfL Wolfsburg
HSV Barmbek-Uhlenhorst - SC Freiburg
Hansa Rostock - 1. FC Kaiserslautern
Sportfreunde Lotte - Bayer 04 Leverkusen
MSV Duisburg - FC Schalke 04
Rot-Weiss Essen - Fortuna Düsseldorf
Würzburger Kickers - Werder Bremen
Erzgebirge Aue - SpVgg Greuther Fürth
BFC Dynamo - FSV Frankfurt
FSV Salmrohr - VfL Bochum
SSV Reutlingen Fußball - Karlsruher SC
FK Pirmasens - 1. FC Heidenheim
Chemnitzer FC - Borussia Dortmund
SpVgg Unterhaching - FC Ingolstadt 04
SV Elversberg - FC Augsburg
FC Nöttingen - Bayern München
FC St. Pauli - Bor. Mönchengladbach
Hessen Kassel - Hannover 96
Holstein Kiel - VfB Stuttgart
1860 München - TSG Hoffenheim
Bremer SV - Eintracht Frankfurt
VfR Aalen - 1. FC Nürnberg

Ties to be played 7th - 10th August
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Love the way all the big clubs have to play away from home
 
Alex-MCFC said:
That is seriously weird! I thought that as soon as the draw was made! I may actually go to it, it's pretty feasible as it stands.

As for the Champions League Groups, Bayern and CSKA are the obvious ones and whoever is the hardest team in Pot 4 so probably Lazio.
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I'd say you would be better going another weekend so you can get to an Ingolstadt home game. Not much point going for just one game in my opinion but if we do get Bayern (I really hope we dont) you could go a few days earlier or stay a few days later and get a couple of games (to help justify the cost). Or just wait until later in the season anyway when you might be able to get to a few grounds like Augsburg, Bayern or 1860, Nürnberg, even Unterhaching over the course of a weekend. There are plenty in the area.
 
cptaidan88 said:
I'd say you would be better going another weekend so you can get to an Ingolstadt home game. Not much point going for just one game in my opinion but if we do get Bayern (I really hope we dont) you could go a few days earlier or stay a few days later and get a couple of games (to help justify the cost). Or just wait until later in the season anyway when you might be able to get to a few grounds like Augsburg, Bayern or 1860, Nürnberg, even Unterhaching over the course of a weekend. There are plenty in the area.
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The problem is for me is that my football season starts on the same weekend as the Bundesliga and so August looks the best time to do it, especially with me starting College in September. Like you say it'd be better doing a few grounds over a weekend but at the moment I may have to settle for Unterhaching. The chances are another of the Bavarian sides will be at home on a different day that weekend; hopefully 1860 - So I could maybe do that one.
 
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