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leipzigblue said:
I think it's a very narrow-minded view, shared by a lot of westerners, people who lived the good life for 40 years in a country that, without British, French and US government money being poured in, would have probably found themselves living under communism. People who resent helping their fellow Germans, giving them a hand to get back on their on feet, yet were ready and willing to accept financial aid 40 years before in order for them to get back on their feet. The ignorance and resentment from hypocritical westerners astounds me.

Getting back on their feet ? How long is that supposed to take ? West Germany didn't only rise because of foreign aid it rose through bloody hard work by the average citizen, something that most West Germans would tell you is a foreign concept to the average "ossi" who almost all claimed to be specialists at something or other when they came west in the 90's but in most cases never liked the idea of breaking sweat. In fact many of them in my experience are bone idle, they grew used to having to do very little in the DDR and that is one bit of the old regime they resent letting go.
The easterners wanted everything now, now, now but didn't want to put in the hard work for it, a fact that still breeds much understandable resentment in the west.
The fact that they bang on and on about how life was better "back then" when it obviously wasn't, yet still take everything they are handed doesn't go down well either.

We could bang the ball back and forth over the net ad infinitum on this one, we all have our own views.
 
Don´t want to interrupt the discussion between those fine English gentleman about the German unification, but I actually found a nice documentary about English football. ;)

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1835192/Verrueckt-nach-Fussball-%25283%2529#/beitrag/video/1835192/Verrueckt-nach-Fussball-%283%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/ ... ll-%283%29</a>

For obvious reasons its mainly in German but it features City, United, FCUM, Sheffield, Liverpool and Preston Northend.

I found it pretty interesting as it covers the current issues in English football (from a fan´s point of view), features the German writer Raphael Honigstein, representatives of the JFT96 campaign and the Villa guy who is the advocate for the safe standing campaign.
 
bayern blade said:
leipzigblue said:
I think it's a very narrow-minded view, shared by a lot of westerners, people who lived the good life for 40 years in a country that, without British, French and US government money being poured in, would have probably found themselves living under communism. People who resent helping their fellow Germans, giving them a hand to get back on their on feet, yet were ready and willing to accept financial aid 40 years before in order for them to get back on their feet. The ignorance and resentment from hypocritical westerners astounds me.

Getting back on their feet ? How long is that supposed to take ? West Germany didn't only rise because of foreign aid it rose through bloody hard work by the average citizen, something that most West Germans would tell you is a foreign concept to the average "ossi" who almost all claimed to be specialists at something or other when they came west in the 90's but in most cases never liked the idea of breaking sweat. In fact many of them in my experience are bone idle, they grew used to having to do very little in the DDR and that is one bit of the old regime they resent letting go.
The easterners wanted everything now, now, now but didn't want to put in the hard work for it, a fact that still breeds much understandable resentment in the west.
The fact that they bang on and on about how life was better "back then" when it obviously wasn't, yet still take everything they are handed doesn't go down well either.

We could bang the ball back and forth over the net ad infinitum on this one, we all have our own views.

Ah well. I'm afraid I'll have to give up on this one. As you quite rightly say, everyone in the east is lazy. I really don't know why I've never noticed this before.
Anyway, I'm off for a beer as I only have to work for one hour tomorrow.....
 
leipzigblue said:
Ah well. I'm afraid I'll have to give up on this one. As you quite rightly say, everyone in the east is lazy. I really don't know why I've never noticed this before.
Anyway, I'm off for a beer as I only have to work for one hour tomorrow.....

Well obviously there are some I haven't met :-)
 
Bembeltown said:
Don´t want to interrupt the discussion between those fine English gentleman about the German unification.

funny, they sound more like a stereotype west-german and east-german than the germans themselves.
 
german cup quarters today

Mainz 05 2-3 SC Freiburg (in extra time)
Kickers Offenbach 1-2 VfL Wolfsburg

tomorrow the much expected battle between Bayern and Dortmund
 
Ruhr said:
german cup quarters today

Kickers Offenbach 1-2 VfL Wolfsburg

The scum almost managed to turn the plastics around! Great performance by Oxxenbach and they really should have scored more than 1 goal.

Great atmosphere as well...

Bah...feel dirty now for even talking about the scum.
 
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