Bundesliga review

[Rhineland]

Most answers in here, sorry it's only in German.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...-Bullen-aengstigt-den-deutschen-Fussball.html

 

[Ruhr]

a club that spends 40 million in training facilities and hires former Bundesliga 2 players for League 5 isn´t a small club. Look at the other clubs in League 3 and their finances.

Dirty tricks? Decisions in a club should be made by club members according to the german football rule. How many club members are there at RB Leipzig? 7 and they all work in a way for Red Bull. The membership is abot 14 times higher than at Schalke and even if one would pay it, they can refuse membership. Very clever those guys

So the size of a club is based on its finances? By that reckoning, City were a small club in the 90s, BVB when they were bailed out by Bayern, Dynamo Dresden, etc.
Why do RB keep getting awarded licences by the authorities then? They're quite obviously not breaking any rules, if anything they're playing completely by the rules or wouldn't be allowed into the 3. Liga.
I'm sorry, but it's getting pretty tiresome hearing German football fans complainig about clubs like Hoffenheim and RB, even Wolfsburg, and the money they have - not playing fair, etc. No, let's just have a league composed of the 'traditional' clubs and never allow the smaller ones to live the dream. Keep them in their place!
The truth is that those clubs are breaking no rules, they have and still are investing money in their communities and stadiums and are bringing a little pride to their fans and cities.
Why is that such a problem?

Well, let´s say, Disney has the idea of having a PL club to promote their films in the UK. They buy a small club somewhere, transfer it to, let´s say, Leeds, call it Disney Leeds, puts loads of money in it, then english fans would say, "great, there is a small company with a small club living their dream of promoting their products in England. That is the type of club we want in the PL. Hope there will be a Coca Cola Blackpool and a McDonalds Brighton following" Really?

 

[ManCitizens.]

a club that spends 40 million in training facilities and hires former Bundesliga 2 players for League 5 isn´t a small club. Look at the other clubs in League 3 and their finances.

Dirty tricks? Decisions in a club should be made by club members according to the german football rule. How many club members are there at RB Leipzig? 7 and they all work in a way for Red Bull. The membership is abot 14 times higher than at Schalke and even if one would pay it, they can refuse membership. Very clever those guys

So the size of a club is based on its finances? By that reckoning, City were a small club in the 90s, BVB when they were bailed out by Bayern, Dynamo Dresden, etc.
Why do RB keep getting awarded licences by the authorities then? They're quite obviously not breaking any rules, if anything they're playing completely by the rules or wouldn't be allowed into the 3. Liga.
I'm sorry, but it's getting pretty tiresome hearing German football fans complainig about clubs like Hoffenheim and RB, even Wolfsburg, and the money they have - not playing fair, etc. No, let's just have a league composed of the 'traditional' clubs and never allow the smaller ones to live the dream. Keep them in their place!
The truth is that those clubs are breaking no rules, they have and still are investing money in their communities and stadiums and are bringing a little pride to their fans and cities.
Why is that such a problem?

Well, let´s say, Disney has the idea of having a PL club to promote their films in the UK. They buy a small club somewhere, transfer it to, let´s say, Leeds, call it Disney Leeds, puts loads of money in it, then english fans would say, "great, there is a small company with a small club living their dream of promoting their products in England. That is the type of club we want in the PL. Hope there will be a Coca Cola Blackpool and a McDonalds Brighton following" Really?

You didn't respond to the original idea. Instead you made up a ridiculous idea that will never happen. Typical German fan of a big club.

What about Bayern Audi Adidas Munich you hypocritical fool?

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

So the size of a club is based on its finances? By that reckoning, City were a small club in the 90s, BVB when they were bailed out by Bayern, Dynamo Dresden, etc.
Why do RB keep getting awarded licences by the authorities then? They're quite obviously not breaking any rules, if anything they're playing completely by the rules or wouldn't be allowed into the 3. Liga.
I'm sorry, but it's getting pretty tiresome hearing German football fans complainig about clubs like Hoffenheim and RB, even Wolfsburg, and the money they have - not playing fair, etc. No, let's just have a league composed of the 'traditional' clubs and never allow the smaller ones to live the dream. Keep them in their place!
The truth is that those clubs are breaking no rules, they have and still are investing money in their communities and stadiums and are bringing a little pride to their fans and cities.
Why is that such a problem?

Well, let´s say, Disney has the idea of having a PL club to promote their films in the UK. They buy a small club somewhere, transfer it to, let´s say, Leeds, call it Disney Leeds, puts loads of money in it, then english fans would say, "great, there is a small company with a small club living their dream of promoting their products in England. That is the type of club we want in the PL. Hope there will be a Coca Cola Blackpool and a McDonalds Brighton following" Really?

You didn't respond to the original idea. Instead you made up a ridiculous idea that will never happen. Typical German fan of a big club.

What about Bayern Audi Adidas Munich you hypocritical fool?

QUite clearly not the same thing

 

[Falastur]

So the size of a club is based on its finances? By that reckoning, City were a small club in the 90s, BVB when they were bailed out by Bayern, Dynamo Dresden, etc.
Why do RB keep getting awarded licences by the authorities then? They're quite obviously not breaking any rules, if anything they're playing completely by the rules or wouldn't be allowed into the 3. Liga.
I'm sorry, but it's getting pretty tiresome hearing German football fans complainig about clubs like Hoffenheim and RB, even Wolfsburg, and the money they have - not playing fair, etc. No, let's just have a league composed of the 'traditional' clubs and never allow the smaller ones to live the dream. Keep them in their place!
The truth is that those clubs are breaking no rules, they have and still are investing money in their communities and stadiums and are bringing a little pride to their fans and cities.
Why is that such a problem?

Well, let´s say, Disney has the idea of having a PL club to promote their films in the UK. They buy a small club somewhere, transfer it to, let´s say, Leeds, call it Disney Leeds, puts loads of money in it, then english fans would say, "great, there is a small company with a small club living their dream of promoting their products in England. That is the type of club we want in the PL. Hope there will be a Coca Cola Blackpool and a McDonalds Brighton following" Really?

You didn't respond to the original idea. Instead you made up a ridiculous idea that will never happen. Typical German fan of a big club.

What about Bayern Audi Adidas Munich you hypocritical fool?

Completely uncalled-for response. I thought he answered the question perfectly. The point raised was that German fans don't seem to like the small clubs living the dream by making their way from a lower league to the Bundesliga on the back of corporate money. His point stuck to that point to the letter. It doesn't matter that those things will never happen in England - the reality is that Red Bull founded a club in Leipzig in 2009 because founding it as a professional club would breach German FA rules which say that a company cannot own a majority share in a professional club unless they have a long-standing history with that club. They then have worked their way up because rules on an amateur club becoming professional are a lot more lenient on corporate ownership. It's not a small club living the dream, it's corporate manipulation, and he hit the nail on the head. What exactly were you hoping for him to say?

 

[Maldeika]

What about Bayern Audi Adidas Munich you hypocritical fool?

If you think 9 % of a company or organization give you any control over that organization you must be that fool.

 

[Bembeltown]

The "Club" is a disgrace in the sense that it was only founded to promote Red Bull.

There are two well established Clubs in Leipzig with Lokomotive and Chemie, but Red Bull couldnt take those over due to the 50+1 rule.

Instead they cheat the rules as Ruhr mentioned, found a new club and only allow 9 members in the Club. Which then elect only Red Bull employees as members of the board? Sounds like proper business...

They build youth facilities, which is in theory great, however its just to calm the DFB folks down.

I have no Problem at all with "small" Clubs getting up to the Bundesliga. Braunschweig is more than welcome next year.

However a club like RB Leipzig is definitely not and I am looking forward to the set of plastic fans "living the dream".

But we had this discussion already multiple times on this thread and we just won´t get anywhere by discussing it. The English and the German view are too different here.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

The "Club" is a disgrace in the sense that it was only founded to promote Red Bull.

There are two well established Clubs in Leipzig with Lokomotive and Chemie, but Red Bull couldnt take those over due to the 50+1 rule.

Instead they cheat the rules as Ruhr mentioned, found a new club and only allow 9 members in the Club. Which then elect only Red Bull employees as members of the board? Sounds like proper business...

They build youth facilities, which is in theory great, however its just to calm the DFB folks down.

I have no Problem at all with "small" Clubs getting up to the Bundesliga. Braunschweig is more than welcome next year.

However a club like RB Leipzig is definitely not and I am looking forward to the set of plastic fans "living the dream".

But we had this discussion already multiple times on this thread and we just won´t get anywhere by discussing it. The English and the German view are too different here.

The same could be said for Bayer Leverkusen, Bayer Uerdingen, Carl Zeiss Jena - all founded as works clubs to promote the company name.

What stopped Red Bull taking over Chemie/Sachsen and Lok were the fans protesting against against the idea, not the 50+1 rule. Taking over Sachsen Leipzig would have saved the club, their fans didn't want it, so they went bust again and split into 2 clubs, hardly an established club, is it? People also seem to forget that RB bailed out Lok this season to stop them from going bust again. In fact, nobody from the either club's Vorstand has ever complained about RB Leipzig and their 'dirty tricks' - very strange, considering those 'traditional' clubs (one funded and owned by VEB Lacke und Farben, the other by the Deutsche Reichsbahn during the GDR) were also used as vehicles to promote the company name.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Most answers in here, sorry it's only in German.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/a...-Bullen-aengstigt-den-deutschen-Fussball.html

Interesting article. But this is my favourite sentence:

Doch mit Vereinen wie Bayer Leverkusen, dem VfL Wolfsburg und der TSG Hoffenheim ist die 50+1-Regel ohnehin schon aufgeweicht und unterhöhlt. Der deutsche Fußball wird also auch Rasenballsport Leipzig verkraften müssen. Ob es ihm nun schmeckt oder nicht...

The precedent was set a long time ago.

 

[Ruhr]

@ Leipzigblue

maybe Bembel is right, there is no way that we convince each other.

just two things for the history.
Bayer Leverkusen was the idea of the Bayer workers, who wanted to do some sport after work. It wasn´t even a football club at the time in 1904, just a general sports club

The east german clubs were forced by the communists to become part of companies. They were normal football clubs before the war