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Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester [Merged]
- Thread starter Kippax.
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Re: Peter Flanagan
If it's the case that the guy stabbed this burglar to defend his house and family then throw Peter Flanagan in jail.....
....so he can show other robbing scum the medal he got for showing them what should happen to anyone who enters your house to rob you, and after a few hours in there he can come out and we can all buy that man a pint.
If it's the case that the guy stabbed this burglar to defend his house and family then throw Peter Flanagan in jail.....
....so he can show other robbing scum the medal he got for showing them what should happen to anyone who enters your house to rob you, and after a few hours in there he can come out and we can all buy that man a pint.
TrueBlue76
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Re: Peter Flanagan
I thought that to be convicted of murder the court have to prove that you went out purposeless to kill, i.e. planned ahead. This is more manslaughter as it happened in the heat of the moment. If he does get sent down I think it would be manslaughter not murder. But either way he did what we all would have done, defend his family and home...good luck to him.
I thought that to be convicted of murder the court have to prove that you went out purposeless to kill, i.e. planned ahead. This is more manslaughter as it happened in the heat of the moment. If he does get sent down I think it would be manslaughter not murder. But either way he did what we all would have done, defend his family and home...good luck to him.
silvaboots
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Re: Peter Flanagan
I dont think its right to murder them! its just self defence(in my eyes but in the british justice system!!) they entered the house for what i read there was a scuffle and the unlucky person was one that entered the house without permission!!
I feel sorry for the man locked up for defending his family
I dont think its right to murder them! its just self defence(in my eyes but in the british justice system!!) they entered the house for what i read there was a scuffle and the unlucky person was one that entered the house without permission!!
I feel sorry for the man locked up for defending his family
Re: Peter Flanagan
Indeed. Quick law lesson here. For most crimes, you need:
Actus Reus - Which means you actually physically perform an act, stabbing, shooting, punching etc
Mens Rea - You had the malice aforethough to do it, like you drove somewhere with a gun in your pocket to kill someone, or in this case, you had a knife by the side of your bed to kill any burglar
It will all come down to where the knife was, where he was stabbed etc. If he was stabbed in the kitchen, or Flanagan passed the knife on his way to the victim, then he didn't have the malice aforethought, so it would be manslaughter.
If he ran downstairs, ran to the kitchen, got a knife and ran to the burglar, or there was a knife by his bed (without a reasonable reason for it to be there, such as he was decorating, or doing some crafts or something) then he'd be done for murder as he'd placed it there with the intention of stabbing someone.
Pretty complicated, and it will all come down to where the knife was in the house, and where the stabbing occured.
TrueBlue76 said:I thought that to be convicted of murder the court have to prove that you went out purposeless to kill, i.e. planned ahead. This is more manslaughter as it happened in the heat of the moment. If he does get sent down I think it would be manslaughter not murder. But either way he did what we all would have done, defend his family and home...good luck to him.
Indeed. Quick law lesson here. For most crimes, you need:
Actus Reus - Which means you actually physically perform an act, stabbing, shooting, punching etc
Mens Rea - You had the malice aforethough to do it, like you drove somewhere with a gun in your pocket to kill someone, or in this case, you had a knife by the side of your bed to kill any burglar
It will all come down to where the knife was, where he was stabbed etc. If he was stabbed in the kitchen, or Flanagan passed the knife on his way to the victim, then he didn't have the malice aforethought, so it would be manslaughter.
If he ran downstairs, ran to the kitchen, got a knife and ran to the burglar, or there was a knife by his bed (without a reasonable reason for it to be there, such as he was decorating, or doing some crafts or something) then he'd be done for murder as he'd placed it there with the intention of stabbing someone.
Pretty complicated, and it will all come down to where the knife was in the house, and where the stabbing occured.
salfordpaul
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Re: Peter Flanagan
pete is a decent stand up guy, he works and isn't a crim or associated with scrotes! he should get off! did the world a favour!!
If you go in someones house ...expect the worst!
pete is a decent stand up guy, he works and isn't a crim or associated with scrotes! he should get off! did the world a favour!!
If you go in someones house ...expect the worst!
tasker
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Re: Peter Flanagan
released on bail
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pissedagain
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Re: Peter Flanagan
no way were they just going to rob that house..four of them with their identity hidden, if he hadn t have got hold of a knife and stabbed one of them they would have kicked the occupants to death, they only fled after the stabbing
no way were they just going to rob that house..four of them with their identity hidden, if he hadn t have got hold of a knife and stabbed one of them they would have kicked the occupants to death, they only fled after the stabbing
tasker
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Re: Peter Flanagan
it looks like they got the wrong house, according to the menpissedagain said:no way were they just going to rob that house..four of them with their identity hidden, if he hadn t have got hold of a knife and stabbed one of them they would have kicked the occupants to death, they only fled after the stabbing