Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester [Merged]

[shadygiz]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

A child of, say, 12 ?

if said child is coming at me with a weapon, then the game as changed a little wouldnt you say...and suffice to say said child would be emptied the same way

If you read the post I was responding to, it did not qualify the burglary in any way. I assume you would agree that an unfettered right to kill all children who enter your home with the intention of stealing to be a bad thing.

As I have previously stated the law as it stands in the form of reasonable force in the circumstances is perfectly adequate for every situation and no-one has posted anything on here to diminish that view in any way.

What is wrong with reasonable force?

nowt wrong with reasonable force, but the term is open to interpretation, both by the accused and the courts...and 9 times out of 10 the conclusions drawn are totally the opposite

it leaves too much to chance and then leaves people open to prosecution for misinterpretation

whats wrong with having an absolute guideline stating that if you cross the threshold with the intent to commit any form of crime, then you will be risking potential death from a person upholding their right to protect their belongings

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

if said child is coming at me with a weapon, then the game as changed a little wouldnt you say...and suffice to say said child would be emptied the same way

If you read the post I was responding to, it did not qualify the burglary in any way. I assume you would agree that an unfettered right to kill all children who enter your home with the intention of stealing to be a bad thing.

As I have previously stated the law as it stands in the form of reasonable force in the circumstances is perfectly adequate for every situation and no-one has posted anything on here to diminish that view in any way.

What is wrong with reasonable force?

nowt wrong with reasonable force, but the term is open to interpretation, both by the accused and the courts...and 9 times out of 10 the conclusions drawn are totally the opposite

it leaves too much to chance and then leaves people open to prosecution for misinterpretation

whats wrong with having an absolute guideline stating that if you cross the threshold with the intent to commit any form of crime, then you will be risking potential death from a person upholding their right to protect their belongings

When you say interpretation by the courts I assume you mean the jury. A jury comprised of people like you and me who understand fully what they would do to protect their loved ones. Who could be better qualified to understand what it means to protect your home? And by the way if they have any doubt at all that the force was unreasonable - then you get acquitted. Seems fair enough to me.

As for your intent to commit idea, people already risk death if they cross the threshold and that death is deemed to be lawful if the force used is reasonable.
And what is reasonable is decided by people like you and me. What could be fairer?

 

[Lucky13]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Just going off the OP , good.

 

[manchester blue]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Not had chance to read all this yet but I will as it's an interesting subject. If you're ever in a similar situation your response should be, "I was in fear for my life and took reasonable steps to protect my family and my wellbeing".

 

[rickmcfc]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Its about time the Government started protecting the honest, law obiding citizens rather than scumbag criminals. If someone breaks into my house, they should be prepared that i will use any force to protect me, my family and my property. If that means they will die, then so be it. 1 more scumbag off the streets.

 

[daveduke67]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

..........

i have done it before when living on sale racecourse estate.
my missus woke me up in the night saying she could hear some one breaking in, i ran downstairs and this guy was halfway in my living room window.
I picked up my rounders bat and cracked him round the face...

Play much do you? ;-)

Shame you didn't play axe throwing.

 

[johnny on the spot]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Arm the householder, arm the intruder. Same rule goes for the dibble and the criminal.

If the assumption is that the victim's armed, then the criminal will inevitably arm himself. Then people get killed. Bad news.

 

[J3SUS]

Peter Flanagan

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/24/father-and-son-arrested-after-alleged-burglar-is-stabbed-to-death-115875-23222756/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23222756/</a>

Is it self defence or murder?

 

[Pigeonho]

Re: Peter Flanagan

Going off that report it sounds like self defence, however this stupid **** of a country will definitely do him for murder.

Mr Flanagan must have the IQ of a 1 year old, thinking he could defend his property and family. Silly man.

Fuck off Britain.

 

[silvaboots]

Re: Peter Flanagan

I applaud that man for defending his home
Same sort of thing happended to me, Woke up in the middle of the night they were trying to get into my house by kicking the front door down, I came down the stairs to be met by 3 men in ballys, They pinned me to the stairs one put something they said was a gun to my head
They took my car (golf gti) tv,xbox and cash then locked me and the wife outside the house with the kids still in bed (they didnt wake up)
These people need to be treated this way because if you didnt give them what they wanted or put up a fight they would of done this to you
Scum of the earth
For weeks later my mates said get a gun,get a dog but why should i, I work for my living.
Feel sorry for the family of the lad that died but would he have done that to someone if he didnt get what he wanted!
Horrible experience

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