Carlos Tevez

[mancity1]

Best time to sell Tevez, we'll save £20million (more if he's eligible for a loyalty bonus) if we sell him for £10million now. Great for the wage bill and would allow us to sign another young player for our bright future. There are strikers who would score more and attacking midfielders who would create more for much less than £200,000 a week.

Didn't Manure pay Arse over 20mill for RVP with one year left on his contract?

LoveCity I am glad I don't have you in charge of my property negotiations (LOL).

Van Persie wasn't one of the highest paid players in Europe.

Tevez also hasn't just won the Premier League Golden Boot. He scored 11 goals and was the 3rd most wasteful striker in the league.

Big differences.

Big deal LC , RVP came over under a legacy of injury concerns in all but one and a bit seasons.

Tevez led our assists and played in a different role to the seasons before when he carried our frontline notwithstanding the awol season.

This hang up with salaries is irrelevant.

Is YAYA worthy of his wages based on his last two years performances?

Should Zabby now be our highest paid player?

As for being wasteful we should looking to offset Kun if you use your logic.<br /><br />-- Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:50 am --<br /><br />

Best time to sell Tevez, we'll save £20million (more if he's eligible for a loyalty bonus) if we sell him for £10million now. Great for the wage bill and would allow us to sign another young player for our bright future. There are strikers who would score more and attacking midfielders who would create more for much less than £200,000 a week.

I doubt anyone but PSG or Monaco would pay in double digits for Carlos

A Russian club or two would as well as would a Chinese Club etc but of course he won't go there for salary alone.

As for a transfer fee despite his starting to lose that all important yard or two , he is still worth 20mill plus on the open market.

Suarez will attract a minimum of 35mill to the highest bidder when he leaves over the summer and we all know he is damaged goods personified.

 

[LoveCity]

Big deal LC , RVP came over under a legacy of injury concerns in all but one and a bit seasons.

So United took a gamble - and it paid off. But in actual fact most of RVP's injuries have by chance been impact injuries. He's not had any lengthy or serious injury now since August 2010 - almost 3 years.

A player is worth as much as teams are willing to pay. And NO ONE will pay £20million+ for Tevez it appears. Two clubs were probably willing to pay £20million+ for Van Persie. Juventus and Milan will pay £15million tops for Tevez and I think even that may be pushing it. If another club comes in with more money then we'll accept it won't we? But it seems none are...

As for being wasteful we should looking to offset Kun if you use your logic.

Aguero is 25, not yet at his peak, and had an injury ravaged season. Tevez is 29 - 30 next season - and clearly past his best. He still runs a lot, which wins him extra points among City fans, but the end product is deteriorating.

This is the ideal time to sell and if Kia has permission to talk to Galliani as he clearly does, it seems our club is open to the idea doesn't it?

 

[jonmcity]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

 

[LoveCity]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

 

[totallywired]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

He`s the best striker in the Prem. deal with it. We missed out big time.

 

[sam-caddick]

Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri 15m

Finished the meeting between Milan and Tevez agent. Seems Milan has been assured that still nothing definitive between Tevez and Juventus

 

[FrancoisToure]

Best time to sell Tevez, we'll save £20million (more if he's eligible for a loyalty bonus) if we sell him for £10million now. Great for the wage bill and would allow us to sign another young player for our bright future. There are strikers who would score more and attacking midfielders who would create more for much less than £200,000 a week.

Didn't Manure pay Arse over 20mill for RVP with one year left on his contract?

LoveCity I am glad I don't have you in charge of my property negotiations (LOL).

It is silly to compare RVP to Tevez.

 

[mancity1]

Big deal LC , RVP came over under a legacy of injury concerns in all but one and a bit seasons.

So United took a gamble - and it paid off. But in actual fact most of RVP's injuries have by chance been impact injuries. He's not had any lengthy or serious injury now since August 2010 - almost 3 years.

A player is worth as much as teams are willing to pay. And NO ONE will pay £20million+ for Tevez it appears. Two clubs were probably willing to pay £20million+ for Van Persie. Juventus and Milan will pay £15million tops for Tevez and I think even that may be pushing it. If another club comes in with more money then we'll accept it won't we? But it seems none are...

As for being wasteful we should looking to offset Kun if you use your logic.

Aguero is 25, not yet at his peak, and had an injury ravaged season. Tevez is 29 - 30 next season - and clearly past his best. He still runs a lot, which wins him extra points among City fans, but the end product is deteriorating.

This is the ideal time to sell and if Kia has permission to talk to Galliani as he clearly does, it seems our club is open to the idea doesn't it?

Who knows whether we will accept an offer for Tevez in the range you suggest?

He may be a required player under the new manager LC and us selling him will be dependant on us getting a suitable or better replacement which will cost us a lot more than 20 mill LC and having to pay him Tevez plus wages.

I don't agree that we cannot sell him for more than 10mill as you suggest we do.

How much would Roman pay for him as a replacement for Torres LC?

You may forget he forked out 50 mill for a player who was coming off a very poor year and a bit for Liverpool.

We valued Tevez at 25 mill this time last year and could have sold him for that despite his hissy fit.

Monaco and PSG would pay much more than 20 mill for him now LC as would Anzhi to name but three of a number of others.

 

[philiph20]

What are the odds that that slimy tw*t Galliani will offer some paltry amount for Tevez and will accept?, they paid a pittance for Nigel, we lost 5 million of Mario's transfer fee, got less than half what we paid for Robinho, they probably look upon us as complete mugs, remember the way they behaved over Kaka?, can we not sign some sort of pact with Inter or Juve to piss off the second best supported club in Milan?.

 

[mancity1]

Best time to sell Tevez, we'll save £20million (more if he's eligible for a loyalty bonus) if we sell him for £10million now. Great for the wage bill and would allow us to sign another young player for our bright future. There are strikers who would score more and attacking midfielders who would create more for much less than £200,000 a week.

Didn't Manure pay Arse over 20mill for RVP with one year left on his contract?

LoveCity I am glad I don't have you in charge of my property negotiations (LOL).

It is silly to compare RVP to Tevez.

I am not FT I am comparing the relative worth of players in the last year of their contracts , ages , worth to the club , position , past performance etc.

Selling Tevez for 10 mill is silly IMO as was paying what we paid for RSC.

 

[mancity1]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

 

[teddykgb]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

 

[mancity1]

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

 

[blueparrot]

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I think you're right they got the same points as the year before and scored 3 less goals. We lost the title of our own back not because they were much improved.

 

[Firasdo]

I think Arsenal scored more goals than City this season and they dont have RVP :)

Some are trying to indicate that its all down to RVP which is not accurate.

When you evaluate the difference between two teams you should evaluate every player and see who did better than our players.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Tevez & Mancini at Monaco!!

Interesting to say the least.

both masters of controlled rage, ehehe

(other than the obvious personal stuff which transpired between them the season before last)

- well to qualify that, it's Tevez who can do this on the pitch (without having things spill over in ways Mario used to sadly suffer from) and he is indeed quite skilled at it, in addition to ceaselessly harrying opponents & creating chances, and Manciti who under that suave, sophisticated & cool exterior was a no-nonsense & utterly brutal managerial operator with a 'rage to win' through ultimate perfection few can match.

 

[mancity1]

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I think you're right they got the same points as the year before and scored 3 less goals. We lost the title of our own back not because they were much improved.

I like your summary.

Often a player stands out goal wise and people claim he is the difference.

It's lazy and simple to say a new addition made all the difference.

It needs to be analysed over all facets both physically and mentally.

Of course Fergie being the simple minded Scot he is would say it was his master stroke and we had to get one back on the noisy neighbours etc.

The funny thing is he really knows that a fit and firing Rooney along with the mindset that the rest of the team had would have been enough assuming we lost some of the mental edge we had over them the previous year.

The reality is our better players didn't perform often enough when it mattered some of it could be blamed on injuries but when its all said and done we didn't have the mindset to go the extra mile required.

For some the thrill of being a part of history was enough , the mountain had already been climbed so to speak.

Others let off field stuff get to them , Nasri being a case in point and at least he was man enough to admit it but either way it wasn't good enough from someone who can and should have had done better.

We lost the battle last year more so than Manure winning it.

We were capable of 89 plus points with Tevez being on deck all year round as opposed to when he wasn't but our players and the management were not up to the task mentally and its part of the reason RM was given his marching orders.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Gazzetta dello sport are claiming joorabchian held talks with Milan and juve officials today,regarding tevez.

Sorry if already posted.

 

[teddykgb]

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I agree with you by and large, except I think that Rooney is a shell of the overrated player he was in the past. The best thing he's bringing to their side these days is the Scholes like ability to commit 200 fouls a game and be called for one (non card) and complain about it. There is some value in being able to foul with reckless abandon.

Either way, I think we just struggled to defend a title, we're hardly the first squad to struggle in that situation. United had a good, deep team and probably would have been there without RvP, we just stumbled too much in our title defense.

 

[simonmdm]

How likely is it that we'll sell Tevez this transfer window? I try not to listen to anything that Kia says as it's hardly ever the truth.

If we are going to sell him, how much is he likely to cost to buy? I'm wondering whether we'll get enough for him for it to be worth selling him. He's still a decent player for us and I wonder it we'd be able to find a player on the same level to him without paying a lot of extra money.