BingoBango
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johnmc said:
Reductio ad absurdum.
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Carol Thatcher and the racist remark
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Reductio ad absurdum.
dannybcity said:LOL, anyway where do you hear this? I've never been called or heard anyone called white boy in my life. I've heard many racist slurs in the opposite direction though.
To prove I wasn't racist :P
Its not generally at me, but I play football and the Manchester teams seems to have more black people in that think there in America, using the slang and all that. Anyway when something they don't like happens there all out with the 'white boy' and 'wigga' and all that shit.
I'm not really arsed as i don't find it offensive just that if people get in shit for being racist towards black people then everyone should be treated the same.
We beat em 3-1 as well :P
johnmc
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BingoBango said:johnmc said:So if idiot calls someone else a idiot who was actually retarded it cannot be offensive?
Reductio ad absurdum.
Well if you call someone a wanka and you mean it offensively, does that mean you have never knocked one out?
All i'm trying to say is an offensive term is an offensive term, end of.
Bigga
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Banned Tosspot said:Bigga, do you get upset when your 5-a-side chums call you Fitzroy And Darius?
The facts are that the golliwog has been turned 'racial' by racists in the same way that people like Darkus Howe(sp) wants the British flag changing because racists use it as a symbol.
If you're honest then you will admit that Monfils and Benjani resemble the golliwog as a doll and not as the racially offensive image.
So... it's the hair, then?
Why doesn't Benjani resemble Marley then?
As for being compared personally, it's just you. I take it that you can be an arse, so ignore it.
Bigga
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RobinJo said:johnmc said:So if idiot calls someone else a idiot who was actually retarded it cannot be offensive?
Exactly, good post.
How is THIS a good post?? It's stupid and out of context and if you THINK about it, underlines the point I made earlier!!
Bigga said:RobinJo said:johnmc said:So if idiot calls someone else a idiot who was actually retarded it cannot be offensive?
Exactly, good post.
How is THIS a good post?? It's stupid and out of context and if you THINK about it, underlines the point I made earlier!!
No thanks, I disagree with everything you have said so far, but you don't like that do you?
JohnMaddocksAxe
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Let me spell this out for all the stupid fuckers banging on about this.
Over several centuries there have been people in Britain who genuinely felt that black people are inferior beings to white people, should be 'sent back home' and should be second class citizens purely because of that feature. The same goes for Asian people, Jewish people and loads of others who are minorities in British society.
These people still exist. I know some of them. And so do you unless you live in some sort of fucking bubble.
Now, don't get me wrong. Exactly the same sort of cocks exist abroad and hold similar views towards white people. They are also cocks, but we are talking about incidents in British society here.
Therefore when someone makes a comment that includes a term that has historically been a byword for racial/religious discrumination they are on very dodgy ground. It is totlly different to a comment about 'big ears', being ginger or whatever as, unless you can tell me otherwise, there aren't people around who genuinely believe that gingers or people with big ears are inferior or should fuck off out of British society.
Therefore, it should be pretty simple to get into your thick heads that the reaction to someone saying such stuff is going to be totally different.
One is just an insult about someone's apperance. The other is the language that is used by people who genuinely want to get rid of, persecute or discriminate against people because of the colour of their skin or religion.
As for the "Well, I said this to my black mate and he is ok with it" bullshit.
Well, of course he fucking is. I assume, unless he is a fucking masochist, that part of his critieria for being mates with you is that you don't genuinely feel that black people are inferior and should 'go back home'.
SO he knows if you say "Monfils looks like that Gollywog on the jam jars" then that is probably what you mean. And only that. He can distinguish that, even though that term is steeped in racial overtones, knowing you well, you probably genuinely are referring only top an unusual similarity in appearance.
If a stanger said it to him, eg: Carole Thatcher, then he has no way of knowing that she isn't using it in the same terms as racists do and therefore he is probably going to think "WTF is going on here" at best, and at worst be deeply offended.
Even if she is genuinely saying something like that in relation to unusual appearance, and not using it in the same way racists do, then she is still thick as fuck for not realising that strangers have no way of knowing that and are more than likely to be offended.
It's context dummy. Context. How fucking difficult can that be to understand?
Re: Le Tissier. I have no way of knowing whether he is anti semetic or not. However, if the comments above are true then he is also thick as fuck.
I assume that he doesn't personally know everyone in the room. Therefore, the people he is speaking to have no way of knowing whether he is having a laugh about a charicature because it's a funny comparison and play on it, or because he is genuinely a bit anti semetic and finds the charicature of the big nosed, money grabbing Jew hilarious.
How is any stranger supposed to know? They probably give him the benefit of the doubt but he is still a stupid fucker for assuming they will.
But, if he hd said the same comment in a room with 5 of his Jewish mates, who he had known for years, all of whom knew he wasn't anti semetic, then it would be totoally different because they would know exactly what he meant by the joke and that it wasn't a case of "let's laugh at the Jews cos they've all got big noses". They'd know he was making a joke based around a daft charicature that he didn't believe in anyway.
See? It's not fucking rocket science. It's just simple context and relationships to people.
So, instead of getting pi$$ed off and 'PC (yes, PC), moaning about why Coolio can say the n word nd you can't (Again, context dummy. Is anyone really going to hear it nd think 'Geez, is Coolio one of those bastards that thinks blacks are inerior and should 'feck off home'?), moaning about how you are persecuted because he can say it and get a totally different reaction to you.
Get off your fucking 'woe is me, I'm persecuted soap box, I want to be able to say it' trip and just think about the fucking context.
Failing that, stick to your colouring books and the Daily Mail and enjoy filling up your lives with shithouse bleating that everything that is wrong with your lives is because of "PC gone mad".
Over several centuries there have been people in Britain who genuinely felt that black people are inferior beings to white people, should be 'sent back home' and should be second class citizens purely because of that feature. The same goes for Asian people, Jewish people and loads of others who are minorities in British society.
These people still exist. I know some of them. And so do you unless you live in some sort of fucking bubble.
Now, don't get me wrong. Exactly the same sort of cocks exist abroad and hold similar views towards white people. They are also cocks, but we are talking about incidents in British society here.
Therefore when someone makes a comment that includes a term that has historically been a byword for racial/religious discrumination they are on very dodgy ground. It is totlly different to a comment about 'big ears', being ginger or whatever as, unless you can tell me otherwise, there aren't people around who genuinely believe that gingers or people with big ears are inferior or should fuck off out of British society.
Therefore, it should be pretty simple to get into your thick heads that the reaction to someone saying such stuff is going to be totally different.
One is just an insult about someone's apperance. The other is the language that is used by people who genuinely want to get rid of, persecute or discriminate against people because of the colour of their skin or religion.
As for the "Well, I said this to my black mate and he is ok with it" bullshit.
Well, of course he fucking is. I assume, unless he is a fucking masochist, that part of his critieria for being mates with you is that you don't genuinely feel that black people are inferior and should 'go back home'.
SO he knows if you say "Monfils looks like that Gollywog on the jam jars" then that is probably what you mean. And only that. He can distinguish that, even though that term is steeped in racial overtones, knowing you well, you probably genuinely are referring only top an unusual similarity in appearance.
If a stanger said it to him, eg: Carole Thatcher, then he has no way of knowing that she isn't using it in the same terms as racists do and therefore he is probably going to think "WTF is going on here" at best, and at worst be deeply offended.
Even if she is genuinely saying something like that in relation to unusual appearance, and not using it in the same way racists do, then she is still thick as fuck for not realising that strangers have no way of knowing that and are more than likely to be offended.
It's context dummy. Context. How fucking difficult can that be to understand?
Re: Le Tissier. I have no way of knowing whether he is anti semetic or not. However, if the comments above are true then he is also thick as fuck.
I assume that he doesn't personally know everyone in the room. Therefore, the people he is speaking to have no way of knowing whether he is having a laugh about a charicature because it's a funny comparison and play on it, or because he is genuinely a bit anti semetic and finds the charicature of the big nosed, money grabbing Jew hilarious.
How is any stranger supposed to know? They probably give him the benefit of the doubt but he is still a stupid fucker for assuming they will.
But, if he hd said the same comment in a room with 5 of his Jewish mates, who he had known for years, all of whom knew he wasn't anti semetic, then it would be totoally different because they would know exactly what he meant by the joke and that it wasn't a case of "let's laugh at the Jews cos they've all got big noses". They'd know he was making a joke based around a daft charicature that he didn't believe in anyway.
See? It's not fucking rocket science. It's just simple context and relationships to people.
So, instead of getting pi$$ed off and 'PC (yes, PC), moaning about why Coolio can say the n word nd you can't (Again, context dummy. Is anyone really going to hear it nd think 'Geez, is Coolio one of those bastards that thinks blacks are inerior and should 'feck off home'?), moaning about how you are persecuted because he can say it and get a totally different reaction to you.
Get off your fucking 'woe is me, I'm persecuted soap box, I want to be able to say it' trip and just think about the fucking context.
Failing that, stick to your colouring books and the Daily Mail and enjoy filling up your lives with shithouse bleating that everything that is wrong with your lives is because of "PC gone mad".
Bigga
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johnmc said:BingoBango said:johnmc said:So if idiot calls someone else a idiot who was actually retarded it cannot be offensive?
Reductio ad absurdum.
Well if you call someone a wanka and you mean it offensively, does that mean you have never knocked one out?
All i'm trying to say is an offensive term is an offensive term, end of.
This is what I mean about stupidity!!
So, using this absurd analogy, calling a Black person a "n****r" may be somehow correct depending on what that person may have experienced????
Banned Tosspot
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Marley is mixed race for one and does not have extremely dark skin and big eyes like the golliwog.Bigga said:Banned Tosspot said:Bigga, do you get upset when your 5-a-side chums call you Fitzroy And Darius?
The facts are that the golliwog has been turned 'racial' by racists in the same way that people like Darkus Howe(sp) wants the British flag changing because racists use it as a symbol.
If you're honest then you will admit that Monfils and Benjani resemble the golliwog as a doll and not as the racially offensive image.
So... it's the hair, then?
Why doesn't Benjani resemble Marley then?
As for being compared personally, it's just you. I take it that you can be an arse, so ignore it.
Keep to the subject and not the personal shit for once.
Bigga
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RobinJo said:Bigga said:RobinJo said:johnmc said:So if idiot calls someone else a idiot who was actually retarded it cannot be offensive?
Exactly, good post.
How is THIS a good post?? It's stupid and out of context and if you THINK about it, underlines the point I made earlier!!
No thanks, I disagree with everything you have said so far, but you don't like that do you?
What.
A.
Tool.