Carol Thatcher and the racist remark
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johnmc
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Bigga said:
You said before how can a person of the race using the racially offensive word be saying it offensively because they would only be demeaning themselves?? I totally disagree with that and this is how i choose to highlight the point.
Bigga
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Banned Tosspot said:
Oh, so you're admit then, that the doll was made in an overview of what Black people represented in comparison to White people, then? The doll is NOT a 'cuddly' figure as it wasn't made that way, initially.
There are many ignorant people in this world, but this can be astounding!
MCFC1986
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Bigga said:MCFC1986 said:Banned Tosspot said:Monfils?
if it was about this guy he does look like a gollywog...my mate looks like a character of a cartoon and i always say it to him. I don't think it's racist.
No surprise that there are two morons in agreement here...
Please explain?
JohnMaddocksAxe
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Perhaps I shouldn't have bothered.
Carry on dummies
Carry on dummies
tueartsboots
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History of the Golliwog (sic)
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Regrettably, most of this thread has been a predictable read. Some 'white men' banging on about apocryphal tales of 'no go areas', 'racism works both ways' and so on, ad nauseum. All that's missing is the 'positive discrimination' line.
If someone is offended by a remark, then it's offensive. What is difficult to understand about this concept?
The other argument seems to be regarding privacy. Again, why is it that some people seem to think it acceptable to call people moronic names and refer to sweeping generalisations as long as the potentially offended parties are not present? Which is worse, the offensiveness or the dishonesty? I honestly like everyone unless an issue arises between us personally. Religion, politics and, yes, football teams are different issues to consider, and we all have our bias in such matters.
I don't recognise this 'us and them' country that some of you refer to but that may be a reflection on how you live your lives rather than how everyone else lives. And, yes, EVEN black people, individually and as various forms of 'collectives' can behave as appallingly as the rest of us. So what? As far as I am aware, most of the crime committed in the UK is by 'white people'. That doesn't make all 'white people' criminals, does it?
Anyway, congratulations to some of the posters who seem to have understood the debate better than me. The only thing that amazes me is that a privileged, educated woman doesn't deem it necessary to apologise for the offense caused when, I far as I can gather, there were black/brown people in earshot when she said it. Freedom = Responsiblity. Only the oppressed have no choice. Be thankful that you do.
If someone is offended by a remark, then it's offensive. What is difficult to understand about this concept?
The other argument seems to be regarding privacy. Again, why is it that some people seem to think it acceptable to call people moronic names and refer to sweeping generalisations as long as the potentially offended parties are not present? Which is worse, the offensiveness or the dishonesty? I honestly like everyone unless an issue arises between us personally. Religion, politics and, yes, football teams are different issues to consider, and we all have our bias in such matters.
I don't recognise this 'us and them' country that some of you refer to but that may be a reflection on how you live your lives rather than how everyone else lives. And, yes, EVEN black people, individually and as various forms of 'collectives' can behave as appallingly as the rest of us. So what? As far as I am aware, most of the crime committed in the UK is by 'white people'. That doesn't make all 'white people' criminals, does it?
Anyway, congratulations to some of the posters who seem to have understood the debate better than me. The only thing that amazes me is that a privileged, educated woman doesn't deem it necessary to apologise for the offense caused when, I far as I can gather, there were black/brown people in earshot when she said it. Freedom = Responsiblity. Only the oppressed have no choice. Be thankful that you do.
IFeedGoats
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Just to throw a different spin on it.
When growing up I called Black people coloured (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure, thought at the time this was ok and not racist) now this is deemed unsuitable and possibly racist but it is ok to call black people black, In 10/20 years will black be deemed racist?
I understand why certain words are racist due to the history that surrounds them but are we making history now and in the future will words we use now be deemed racist because the way that we are using them now and the publicity/PC that surrounds them?
When growing up I called Black people coloured (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure, thought at the time this was ok and not racist) now this is deemed unsuitable and possibly racist but it is ok to call black people black, In 10/20 years will black be deemed racist?
I understand why certain words are racist due to the history that surrounds them but are we making history now and in the future will words we use now be deemed racist because the way that we are using them now and the publicity/PC that surrounds them?
pissedagain
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my mate lives in oldham and his kids have been attacked several times because they are white, the asian kids that attack them tell them to fuck off and that this is there country now, how come this never gets mentioned in the papers etc, it gets reported,the police say they can do no more but patrol the area, in 30 years when they decide to gang up and kick us out of here, you lot banging your drum, will be set upon just like the rest of us....a racist view you will cry, i say facing up to the inevitable