CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[Shads]

It doesn't do our credibility any good to say "they couldn't admit that obviously." The ADUG/SM source couldn't be proved - it was UEFA's burden and they could never hope to jump the witness statements (without cross examination) and letters on these points.

I thought that the sections on the settlement agreement were a little unconvincing - arguing the subject matter was different (para 154 says "these specific charges do not touch upon the issues addressed in the SA") is tenuous but, of course, arguable. These are all quite nuanced things.

The Etisalat was not backdated - it was signed and dated January 2015 but with an effective date earlier. That is, as Conn knows, not the same thing. Moreover the Heads were binding and specifically envisaged being in place prior to the full signed agreement. So I agree it is disingenuous.

Looking at the judgment, it is possible that if UEFA could have shown a more direct link to subsidies from ADUG/SM then they would have disagreed with me as to the importance of the legal sponsor contract and could well have found in UEFA's favour. In essence, that would have been a finding that the legal contract was a sham. Yet again a serious allegation with a high standard of proof that it was always likely UEFA couldn't hit.

Stefan do you agree with my view that by finding against almost all of our initial contentions thus able to use all the evidence UEFA used, they actually strengthen the fact that we didn’t disguise equity as sponsorship?

 

[BringBackSwales]

So can someone summarise for me what Vicky Kloss has had to say on this matter, what she has said to counter the appalling things being said about our club? Has she been as strong as ever in condemning the lies?

 

[MaccBlueSS115]

I think it's time for the club and fans to draw a line under FFP. We were found not guilty and now we can move forward with the developing the club and pushing for more success. It's important to have a good relationship with governing bodies, hence why Khaldoon and Cerefin had a peace-making call once the CAS decision was announced.

We should be focused on the football and long-term success, especially in Europe.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Seen posts on squawk that claim the CAS rep among the three judges had been employed by City at some time.

If City fans questioned the impartiality of the findings of the Hillsborough Inquest they'd doubtless be foaming at the mouth.

 

[Shads]

The thing I am struggling with is what advantage we gained by not co-operating with the UEFA investigation? I have no doubt that even if we had then UEFA would have tried to make something stick but we still would have had the option to go to CAS for a de bono hearing.

UEFA may well have tried to expand their investigation into a general fishing trip but at that point we could have refused to co-operate further and I assume CAS would have backed that stance. We have still come away from CAS with a substantial fine and, more importantly, we have been censured for non-co-operation thereby giving the media ammunition to infer that we were hiding something.

If you look at the documents in the judgment they are redacted as to various key details that City clearly want to keep private. CAS were able to engineer this. UEFA could not, therefore if City had released those documents to UEFA they believed that the full unredacted copies would have been leaked in line with other leaked information.

 

[lancs blue]

Keegan is 100% Oldham Athletic.

So he's a rag without the tram fare. ;-)

 

[HalfwayUpTheKippax]

Who the fuck is Nick Harris??

What the fuck is Nick Harris?

 

[levets]

He might be but he prefers rags to us. Keegan family linked to rags. One of them is there announcer. Used to work at our stadium & jumped at the chance to leave us for them.

That’s a different ‘Keegan’...

 

[lancs blue]

So can someone summarise for me what Vicky Kloss has had to say on thus matter, what she has said to counter the appalling things being said about our club? Has she been as strong as ever in condemning the lies?

Why are you having a pop at her? I'm fairly sure that any statement on such a serious matter would have to be cleared by Khaldoon or Ferran Soriano if not directly released by their office.

 

[mosssideblue]

I think it's time for the club and fans to draw a line under FFP. We were found not guilty and now we can move forward with the developing the club and pushing for more success. It's important to have a good relationship with governing bodies, hence why Khaldoon and Cerefin had a peace-making call once the CAS decision was announced.

We should be focused on the football and long-term success, especially in Europe.

Was it a peace making call or was it a standby to standby type of conversation?