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Catalonian referendum
- Thread starter Ric
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Catalan president signed the separation contract and then bottled it.
Bottled what exactly? He has a far better chance of actually achieving meaningful reforms by leveraging the outcome of the referendum than by declaring independence.
bluethrunthru
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If Madrid has any sense instead of turning it into a battle royale they should just announce its all illegal and remove Catalan autonomy. Then - as businesses announce they are moving out of Catalonia the people will feel it in their pockets and come to their senses. If you look at the numbers who voted its clear there is not an overall majority for independence in Catalonia anyway - separatists whipped up their support and the rest stayed at home on the day - 100% turn out would not get them an independence majority.
If Madrid has any sense instead of turning it into a battle royale they should just announce its all illegal and remove Catalan autonomy. Then - as businesses announce they are moving out of Catalonia the people will feel it in their pockets and come to their senses. If you look at the numbers who voted its clear there is not an overall majority for independence in Catalonia anyway - separatists whipped up their support and the rest stayed at home on the day - 100% turn out would not get them an independence majority.
Hard to say whether or not a 100% turnout would've resulted in a majority when the referendum was forcefully hindered.
I'm not sure that removing Catalan autonomy would exactly be in the interest of Spain as they'd further alienate the Catalans, who have legitimate grievances, and all but force them to secede. It seems more like a last resort to me.
Ideally they'd negotiate meaningful reforms towards a common ground, a more federalised Spain.
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west didsblue
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He did the only thing he could. He’d committed to declaring independence if he won the vote but he is aware that the vast majority of remainers refused to vote due to the election being in contravention of Spanish law. If he’d have pursued independence there would have been civil unrest at the very least. The Catalonian separatists need to have a referendum that everyone recognises as legitimate or they’ll get nowhere.Catalan president signed the separation contract and then bottled it.
80s Shorts
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They will not allow any country to break up into regional states , this would not fit with super state they are trying to create. Spain will do the dirty work if they declare independence under orders from the dictators who run the EU.
Haha. They will be really pissed if a whole country decides to fuck them off then.
The only reason France won't recognise an independent Catalonia is because Flanders will then want separation from France, every country acts for its own benefit, there is no collusion, just individual self interests.The Spanish government have declared their referendum illegal , France has said it will not recognise Catalonia as a independent country, Spain has said it will seize their assets & they most certainly will use troops to do it & you ask why didn't they stop the Brexit referendum in Britain? Is that because we are similar to Catalonia do you think ?
The only reason France won't recognise an independent Catalonia is because Flanders will then want separation from France, every country acts for its own benefit, there is no collusion, just individual self interests.
Flanders is a part of Belgium though. Whether France recognises an independent Catalunia is not really the issue, it's whether Spain and the EU will and they have little incentive to do so.
Part of historic Flanders is in France, hence why I said separation from France to join the other parts, Belgium & Dutch Flanders (Flemish), in a bid for independence.Flanders is a part of Belgium though. Whether France recognises an independent Catalunia is not really the issue, it's whether Spain and the EU will and they have little incentive to do so.
Part of historic Flanders is in France, hence why I said separation from France to join the other parts, Belgium & Dutch Flanders (Flemish), in a bid for independence.
Sorry but you got that wrong, I'm flemish so I think I'd know. Flemish nationalists want to separate from their French (Walloons) counterpart in Belgium. There's no anschsluss movement going on in what you call historic Flanders, ergo no separation from France.