Cavani Speculation/News (part 4)

[toffee balls]

Remember this post, Cavani will be officially a Chelsea player july 2nd.

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get concentrating out in the middle , this is a semi you know

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Remember this post, Cavani will be officially a Chelsea player july 2nd.

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Do bookmark it,as I personally guarantee you this will not happen.

 

[sbm]

Those stats don't really prove that do they? Dzeko better than Aguero too is he???

I should have made clear that, when I wrote "Dzeko is better than Tevez!", I meant in terms of the minutes per assist statistics.

Yes, but given the findings that you are using to say Dzeko is better than Tevez, Dzeko is also better than Aguero. Football is not a science. Look at Messi's record for Argentina. Dzeko is definitely our most clinical striker, but he isn't our best striker. Aguero and Tevez provide more for the team.

Anyway moving away from that, given that we are in a position where we sell Dzeko or face losing him cheap next year, it looks likely that he will be given a chance at City next season, and hopefully he is utilised and we play to his strengths. Tevez, given his age and the fact that he likes to play deeper, could be one to let go now. We have attacking midfielders who can do a better job in the position Tevez occupies and we can allow Aguero to play on the shoulder more effectively with better supply.

Oh and just to be back on topic, whilst I would love to see Cavani at City it seems because of Dzeko to Dortmund being closed now, and him not wanting to go to Napoli - this probably wont happen.

To be clear, I am a huge fan of Kun Aguero. I have never written - anywhere or at any time since Aguero arrived - that Dzeko is a better striker than Aguero or vice versa. In my view, with proper management, Dzeko + Aguero could have been the best strike partnership the premier league has ever seen. They complement each other in style and both can play happily and effectively with another striker (in contrast to Tevez who sees other strikers as RIVALS). I do have renewed hope that our new manager may develop the D + A partnership....

The reason for my post above and my post a few days ago on the Dzeko thread (with various stats about last season's premier league) was that, in 60+ years of supporting City, I have never seen / heard so much drivel written / talked about a City player as about Edin Dzeko over the last two seasons. In contrast, Sergio Aguero does not need my support.

As to your post, you claim that "Aguero and Tevez provide more for the team" but you do not provide any evidence to back it up. The reason I presented the career minutes per assist is precisely because they relate to what is often regarded as the second most important performance statistic for a striker. Copying part of my post on page 306 of the Edin Dzeko thread, for the 2012-13 premier league:

* Using the Opta definition of assists, the MINUTES PER GOAL INVOLVEMENT (i.e., goals + assists) were: D 107; A 139; T 127.

* goal assists in open play:
D 3 @ 605 mpgaop
A 2 @ 970 mpgaop
T 5 @ 481 mpgaop

* clear-cut chances created for others:
D 7 @ 259 mpccc
A 5 @ 388 mpccc
T 8 @ 301 mpccc

* Mins per possession lost: D 5; A 6; T 6.
* Minutes per possession won: D 29; A 32; T 31.

To take just the last statistic, the common assertion that Tevez constantly harries opponents and wins the ball back whereas Dzeko never does is a myth.

Finally, I certainly do not think that it is all about statistics. The pass from Dzeko putting Tevez through against Notts County in the 2011 FA Cup game; the Dzeko-Johnson-Aguero link-up for the goal against Arsenal in the League Cup; the Silva pass to Dzeko in the 6-1 defeat of United (rated by Silva as his best pass of the season); Silva's exquisite chip to Dzeko for the winning goals against Spurs last November (a candidate for Silva's best pass of this last season) .... these were all things of beauty!

 

[Ireland_for_pm]

What the fuck does dzeko do that make fans on here try to convince us he's better than aguero. I mean to me he plays absolute garbage every game. What the FUCK does he do?

 

[Blue Haze]

What the fuck does dzeko do that make fans on here try to convince us he's better than aguero. I mean to me he plays absolute garbage every game. What the FUCK does he do?

I wonder if he played poorly to get Mancini sacked. He was barely trying at the end. Those two had a very poor relationship from all accounts.

Although to be fair, outside of one or two games he never really set the world on fire. He was just especially bad at the end of last season.

 

[zeven]

What the fuck does dzeko do that make fans on here try to convince us he's better than aguero. I mean to me he plays absolute garbage every game. What the FUCK does he do?

I wonder if he played poorly to get Mancini sacked. He was barely trying at the end. Those two had a very poor relationship from all accounts.

Let say this is true, Then he really have to fuck off, he should play for the shirt and the fans in first hand. this sound more like a Irelnd 2.0 and waste of bench space.

 

[sam-caddick]

What the fuck does dzeko do that make fans on here try to convince us he's better than aguero. I mean to me he plays absolute garbage every game. What the FUCK does he do?

I wonder if he played poorly to get Mancini sacked. He was barely trying at the end. Those two had a very poor relationship from all accounts.

Although to be fair, outside of one or two games he never really set the world on fire. He was just especially bad at the end of last season.

Well if he did he should be the first out the door, you play for the shirt and the fans, regardless of how much you hate the manager.

Dzeko needs to be upgraded on either way in my opinion.

Unless he adapts his game his attributes will never fit our system of play, his touch, pace and work rate are shocking for the money we paid for him.

On his day he can look a very formidable striker but it is too much of a rare occassion in my opinion, and for me I don't ever see him scoring more than the 15-20 goals in the league we have seen from him since he has been here.

We should be trying to find a center forward who can get us 25-30 goals in the league.

 

[bluemoon27]

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[Ethan23]

Put it this way, Tevez leaves, which looks likely, we'll be left with Aguero, Dzeko, Gudetti.

First game of the season Aguero gets crocked and misses the next 6 months of the season.

Would you really rely on Dzeko to spearhead the side to premier league glory?

Not a chance, however, assuming Cavani adapts I could happily sleep at night with notion of
Cavani leading the line with, Isco , Silva, Navas, Nasri supplying him

 

[Summerbuzz]

stats are always interesting but it's important to remember football is much more of a team game than baseball, where the RBI is truly a key indicator. even american football, people have strictly defined team moves. football is as much about transitions between 'plays' as the plays themselves. so whilst Tevez' harrying might not give him the best stats, because closing down an opponent without regaining possession cuts off opportunities for passes I feel comfortable in saying his overall contribution on the pitch is better than Dzeko. that's before we even begin to think about how it forces the opponent to play the pass more quickly (implying less accuracy) and how he can carry the burden for the likes of Yaya and Silva, so they retain sharpness and explosive power for attacking.

Aguero is similar. TBF they have a physical advantage - they are smaller, more agile, and it requires less energy to shift a 10 stone frame around than a 14 stone frame.

I always think this is something people overlook when they bemoan the lack of quick pressing compared to Barca or Spain - their front lines are always very small and agile. It remains to be seen just how well this would work in the premier league, where large centre halves have an advantage due to a: weather, meaning high passes are harder to deal with therefore are played more often, and b: the more lax refereeing we have, more use of body strength is allowed, therefore big players have an advantage.

The German clubs appear to have sort of turned this on their head, but I think it's easy to read too much into one season. Schweinsteiger and Martinez were, like the rest of the Bayern team, in freakishily good physical condition and the Spaniards looked drained by comparison.

err... yeah... Dzeko... no... wait... Cavani

I think he is the forward equivalent of Javi Martinez - not the last word technically but an 8 out of 10 with 9/10 physicallity and 10/10 workrate. and some very interesting abilities. A better finisher than creator, by far, but will miss a lot of chances. He won't half give centre halves the run around tho.

I'm not entirely sold on him, certainly not at the price... but he is the kind who can win any game at any time, and when he doesn't do that, he will run himself stupid. My judgement is that Dzeko has an almost equal ability to score, maybe even the same ability to hold the ball (i.e. suprisingly little, but so it is for Lewandoski and Gomez, amongst others)...but Cavani's pace to run behind is much greater, and his work when we don't have the ball will be a big asset.