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Centre-back
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sam-caddick said:After today's defensive disgrace it's quite clear we need a center back to back up/ rotate Nastasic, Lescott simply cannot cope with this high line system Pellegrini want to implement.
Kompany, Nastasic, Zabaleta, Micah and even Boyata have looked decent using the high line system.
Lescott, Kolarov and I think Clichy have struggled with adaptation, and it's that left hand side that seriously needs looking at.
I totally agree,....and a highline system will be suicidal if the defenders cannot get to the ball first, as was shown in Milan's three goals, and again against Arsenal. I only hope Pellegrini sees the weaknesses and changes things for the better. It was discussed in the pub yesterday that almost all the Premier League sides are capable of beating each other on their day, which is different in Spain, where the top 6-8 will mostly beat the clubs in the bottom half of the table. I hope Pellegrini doesn't underestimate the strength and speed which clubs can counterattack in the Prem.
If all reports are true, then Pellegrini is a very astute tactician and will solve the problems our squad have, he doesn't have too long to sort this out now, and we have seen the failings in some of our players for the past eighteen months, whereas he has only been with us a couple of months. This season may be more of a transitional one for us, but hopefully the new management and the guys running the club will produce the team and football we all want to see.
City_Sean
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We do need one, lescotts okay against stoke or west ham, but against fast opposition we need quick CB's who are comfortable on the ball, I'd look at N'Koulou, Sahko or Pepe.
Mr. Aguia
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We're quite fortunate we don't face any of the pacy squads early in the season. It will give us time to gell and get Nasty back healthy. Even so, I am desperatly hopefull we bring in someone.
Joe Hart's Dandruff
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Mr. Aguia said:We're quite fortunate we don't face any of the pacy squads early in the season. It will give us time to gell and get Nasty back healthy. Even so, I am desperatly hopefull we bring in someone.
I'd say Newcastle are pretty pacy, with Ben Arfa and Remi on the flanks and Cisse through the middle
Joe Hart's Dandruff said:Mr. Aguia said:We're quite fortunate we don't face any of the pacy squads early in the season. It will give us time to gell and get Nasty back healthy. Even so, I am desperatly hopefull we bring in someone.
I'd say Newcastle are pretty pacy, with Ben Arfa and Remi on the flanks and Cisse through the middle
Yes, just how Pardew will want to play,.........Most of the teams in the Premier League can counter attack with pace, remember QPR in the 3-2. They almost got relegated but both their goals came from quick counters. Most teams in the league would be happy to put everyone behind the ball and let us pass it around, but they will always be looking to hit us on the break, it's how the lesser teams play against the top sides in the Prem.
Neville Kneville
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Did anybody actually watch the game ?
It was on fact Clichy once & Kompany twice who were caught out both positionally & for pace/reaction speed, so can just one of you explain why Lescott is being singled out ?
Re this high line that Lescott in particular can't hold, can someone explain why Kompany was 15 yards further back playing the Arsenal striker onside for the 3rd goal & exactly what Lescott did wrong to force him into that unfortunate position.
It was on fact Clichy once & Kompany twice who were caught out both positionally & for pace/reaction speed, so can just one of you explain why Lescott is being singled out ?
Re this high line that Lescott in particular can't hold, can someone explain why Kompany was 15 yards further back playing the Arsenal striker onside for the 3rd goal & exactly what Lescott did wrong to force him into that unfortunate position.
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Ramsey's goal was Lescott's fault and one of the poorest pieces of defensive play I have seen in a while.Neville Kneville said:Did anybody actually watch the game ?
It was on fact Clichy once & Kompany twice who were caught out both positionally & for pace/reaction speed, so can just one of you explain why Lescott is being singled out ?
Re this high line that Lescott in particular can't hold, can someone explain why Kompany was 15 yards further back playing the Arsenal striker onside for the 3rd goal & exactly what Lescott did wrong to force him into that unfortunate position.
Neville Kneville said:Did anybody actually watch the game ?
It was on fact Clichy once & Kompany twice who were caught out both positionally & for pace/reaction speed, so can just one of you explain why Lescott is being singled out ?
Re this high line that Lescott in particular can't hold, can someone explain why Kompany was 15 yards further back playing the Arsenal striker onside for the 3rd goal & exactly what Lescott did wrong to force him into that unfortunate position.
I actually think Kompany ends up trying to cover for Lescott a lot of the time and then gets caught out. If Lescott was aware of any threat then he would be in a better position. Watching the highlights, because I couldn't get a stream of the game, the first two goals were scored by the attacker running through the left centre defensive channel, which is where Lescott should be. In all three goals Lescott can be seen jogging back into position after the goals gone in. I agree the third goal looked like Kompany was more to blame, but the defence should be working as a team, with each player being responsible for their own specific areas.
The cup final was a shocker in that not one defender or holding midfielder helped Clichy out, who got turned everytime by a push and run merchant but no one was behind him to act as a secondary line of defence. That was pretty basic stuff for anyone to see. There is some work to be done with our defence, and the so called holding midfielders, should be helping out as well.
We kept reading when Mancini was sacked that the Dortmund and Bayern Munich way of defending would come to City, in that we would try to win the ball back as soon as it was lost, but I haven't seen any evidence of this so far, in fact we seem to be playing much the same as last year only with more pace on the right wing when Navas is there, and the players seem happier. I know it's only pre-season but we have a relatively easy start to the League and this should hopefully give Pellegrini time to sort out his team and get his tactics working.
Mr. Aguia
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Joe Hart's Dandruff said:Mr. Aguia said:We're quite fortunate we don't face any of the pacy squads early in the season. It will give us time to gell and get Nasty back healthy. Even so, I am desperatly hopefull we bring in someone.
I'd say Newcastle are pretty pacy, with Ben Arfa and Remi on the flanks and Cisse through the middle
But Remi is out.
Mr Ed (The Stables)
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Joe Hart's Dandruff said:Mr. Aguia said:We're quite fortunate we don't face any of the pacy squads early in the season. It will give us time to gell and get Nasty back healthy. Even so, I am desperatly hopefull we bring in someone.
I'd say Newcastle are pretty pacy, with Ben Arfa and Remi on the flanks and Cisse through the middle
Fortunately Remi is out injured and will miss the game according to Pardew.
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An experienced top class centre back is essential before tHe window shuts and surely the board can see that?!?!
Think that if you look at who we've been linked with recently for CBs they've been older experienced defenders and I think it's under the mind set that this player would be a short 1-2 year fix for our depth there knowing that we have Rekik coming through who looks to be some playerrichards30 said:An experienced top class centre back is essential before tHe window shuts and surely the board can see that?!?!
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Would love to see Papadopoulos come in. He's young enough that he wouldn't start every game but would be good competition for Kompany. He's also the commanding presence that we need at the back and would be great next to Nasty. He's pretty decent at heading as well, which is useful because we're gash at defending and scoring from corners. Don't think the wages or transfer fee would be too much as Schalke have Matip and Howedes.
richards30 said:An experienced top class centre back is essential before tHe window shuts and surely the board can see that?!?!
Agreed, our new CB should be already experienced because he will play only as a temporary solution for approximately 1 or 2 years. Than I expect we will get rid of Lescott, Garcia(who is considered as a back-up CB right now) and some of our players like Rekik might be ready to fight for a spot in the squad. By the way, Am I the only one a bit pissed that we are not linked with any possible move? I just hope that the board is trying to sell some of our players because it seems to me that we have to get rid of players first in order to bring someone new.
Sir Joe Aguero said:Would love to see Papadopoulos come in. He's young enough that he wouldn't start every game but would be good competition for Kompany. He's also the commanding presence that we need at the back and would be great next to Nasty. He's pretty decent at heading as well, which is useful because we're gash at defending and scoring from corners. Don't think the wages or transfer fee would be too much as Schalke have Matip and Howedes.
But we're looking for an older more experienced defender, and the other problem with Papadopoulos is how good is his knee now. If we were after a Schalke defender then it would be Howedes, but I doubt he would leave Germany.
If we are to sign a CB then one of Pepe, Rami or Godin look most likely. Although if Skrtel, Agger or Garay are available for the right money then they could also be targets. However Agger is injury prone, and Garay may cost too much. Sakho would be a good shout, he's quick enough and a bit younger than what we are looking for,
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Not just experienced, there's load of experienced defenders around, but someone who's h played in the CL latter stages a fair few times.Cook said:richards30 said:An experienced top class centre back is essential before tHe window shuts and surely the board can see that?!?!
Agreed, our new CB should be already experienced because he will play only as a temporary solution for approximately 1 or 2 years. Than I expect we will get rid of Lescott, Garcia(who is considered as a back-up CB right now) and some of our players like Rekik might be ready to fight for a spot in the squad. By the way, Am I the only one a bit pissed that we are not linked with any possible move? I just hope that the board is trying to sell some of our players because it seems to me that we have to get rid of players first in order to bring someone new.
TheSoulhunter
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How about Mats Hummels? He's good. But I don't think he would come.
Mr. Aguia
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Forshaw7 said:Does no one think Micah can do a job at centre half? Can't see him pushing zaba out anytime soon. He's quick enough to at this high line we seem to have adopted
Not against elite teams. Sure he can play vs the bottem half clubs but certainly not in CL. Too mistake prone. And it takes away all his good aspects playing at CH. What makes him a good player is his barraging runs down the flank. To me he's no different than Lescott and the whole point is to upgrade on Lescott.