Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

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Re: Cesc Fabregas

chris85mcfc said:
NipHolmes said:
Personally speaking I reckon he will be signed and Yaya will be sold. The problem is aligning the two without being burned in transactions. Sell too low, buy to high.

Yaya to PSG will happen but after WC imo
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Would it be a travesty if we bought Fabregas for say 35m and were low balled by PSG for Yaya for say 25m? I'd still say that was a fairly good deal considering the other advantages that this deal gives us in terms of the home grown quota

The footballing factor is that Fabregas gives you a performance every single week, it wouldn't be the storming runs and match winning performances that Yaya gives us (on occasions) but in terms of consistently good performances, id have Fabregas in for Yaya every day of the week
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Sorry mate, but that's bollocks. There is no comparison between them and that is not knocking fabregas. Yaya is a class apart.
 
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totallywired said:
chris85mcfc said:
NipHolmes said:
Personally speaking I reckon he will be signed and Yaya will be sold. The problem is aligning the two without being burned in transactions. Sell too low, buy to high.

Yaya to PSG will happen but after WC imo
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Would it be a travesty if we bought Fabregas for say 35m and were low balled by PSG for Yaya for say 25m? I'd still say that was a fairly good deal considering the other advantages that this deal gives us in terms of the home grown quota

The footballing factor is that Fabregas gives you a performance every single week, it wouldn't be the storming runs and match winning performances that Yaya gives us (on occasions) but in terms of consistently good performances, id have Fabregas in for Yaya every day of the week
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Sorry mate, but that's bollocks. There is no comparison between them and that is not knocking fabregas. Yaya is a class apart.
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I never said that Yaya wasn't a better player than Fabregas, both of them at their best sees Yaya win hands down.

But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.

Add in their age, AFCON and the sulks i think it would be a good bit of business.
 
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I'm no cynic said:
Not read the whole thread, but he'd count as home grown which may be a reason for him in itself.
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...and I'm pretty sure that Wenger wouldn't be bitter about that at all, and certainly wouldn't mention it in passing in a press conference!
 
Re: Cesc Fabregas

totallywired said:
chris85mcfc said:
NipHolmes said:
Personally speaking I reckon he will be signed and Yaya will be sold. The problem is aligning the two without being burned in transactions. Sell too low, buy to high.

Yaya to PSG will happen but after WC imo
Click to expand...

Would it be a travesty if we bought Fabregas for say 35m and were low balled by PSG for Yaya for say 25m? I'd still say that was a fairly good deal considering the other advantages that this deal gives us in terms of the home grown quota

The footballing factor is that Fabregas gives you a performance every single week, it wouldn't be the storming runs and match winning performances that Yaya gives us (on occasions) but in terms of consistently good performances, id have Fabregas in for Yaya every day of the week
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Sorry mate, but that's bollocks. There is no comparison between them and that is not knocking fabregas. Yaya is a class apart.
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It's not worth comparing players to Yaya, he's a bit of a one off. Fabregas is an excellent player though and at 27 should be just coming into his prime. I really hope we are in for him and if we can get anywhere near a similar amount for Yaya who is 4 years older I think that would be decent business.
 
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I'd LOVE Fabregas to come here, but not to replace Yaya. Yaya is THE best midfielder in the world.
 
Re: Cesc Fabregas

MeatHunterrr said:
KiLP12 said:
Odds put Chelsea as favourites now. City were favourites before.....

Take a look: http://www.oddschecker.com/football...sc-fabregas/club-after-summer-transfer-window
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Just goes to show that odds mean nothing
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Unless the odds have changed because someone with inside info has lumped on. Unlikely though and in markets like that one where not many people will be betting on it, it will take very little money to affect the odds, I reckon.
 
Re: Cesc Fabregas

chris85mcfc said:
But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.
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I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).
 
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birchwoodgingerste said:
MeatHunterrr said:
KiLP12 said:
Odds put Chelsea as favourites now. City were favourites before.....

Take a look: http://www.oddschecker.com/football...sc-fabregas/club-after-summer-transfer-window
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Just goes to show that odds mean nothing
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Hh ha exactly according to this site we are 6/4 to sign messy so its guesswork on most of these deals .
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This can be true
Although there are no odds on Messi to leave as lets face it he never will
With Fabregas you can get over 3/1 on him to stay at Barca,so its looking likely he will be gone & the question is who too?
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LoveCity said:
chris85mcfc said:
But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.
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I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).
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Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.
 
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I've had PM's and DM's telling me

1. He has agreed to come but no deal with Barca, yet.

2. Barca have agreed a fee but no personal talks done yet.

3. Fee and personal terms all agreed just waiting for post WC announcement.

4. Its all paper talk and City aren't remotely interested.

And this is just one player and its only the 2nd of June.

Its gonna be fun, fun, fun.
 
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BillyShears said:
LoveCity said:
chris85mcfc said:
But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.
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I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).
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Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.
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Really ? imagine if you resented fabregas and yaya to the barca chiefs, who would you think they'll pick, cesc ?
 
Re: Cesc Fabregas

BillyShears said:
LoveCity said:
chris85mcfc said:
But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.
Click to expand...

I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).
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Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.
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Everyone's productivity is good at Barca, because even when they have an average season they score 100 goals. Ibra had good stats for Barca too, but was far from a glowing success. Indeed, if Fabregas had been so good, why are Barcelona so desperate to sell a player in his prime years after going to such lengths to sign him back? Especially with Xavi pretty much finished, too. He's had his moments in the last 3 years for sure, but by and large has been a disappointment. Even under Pep.

He is what I consider to be a class stats padder, or has been recently. He'll help bury relegation fodder then do absolutely squat in El Clasico or against Atletico. If you look at him on paper, he looks amazing. If you watch him every week all season, he flatters to deceive. I watch every Barca/Real game, it's been a habit of mine in the last few years, and Fabregas has been really, really average. He was subbed off in 7 of Barcelona's 8 biggest games this season after doing nothing. There was all the talk of his "Barcelona DNA", but he has just as much "Arsenal DNA" with a weak big match mentality. People criticise Nasri for this, but at least Nasri stepped up in a few big games. Fabregas didn't in even one this season, he was a passenger (another reason I struggle to see Chelsea signing him, Mourinho wants everyone alive for 90 minutes).

On no level has can I see how he has been better than Yaya Toure recently. Last season, Yaya Toure was the perfect example of a great Premier League footballer. Not only that, Yaya has years of chemistry and experience in this City team now and functions as the heartbeat. Everything goes through him, he's the best passer of the ball in the Premier League, and to replace him without planning would sort of upset the balance and fluency this team has built.

The grass isn't always greener...

I'd have Koke over Fabregas all day long. A stunning player not living on reputation and strongly rumoured to be the midfielder Barca most want this summer. To me, this news we don't want Fabregas, if true, is like music to my ears. It'd be something of a Torres signing, IMO, buying more on reputation than performance, when there are young, hungry players out there (like Koke or Pogba) who would be more exciting signings.
 
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