Champs League Draw

[squirtyflower]

Sorry for the long re-quote but I feel it's worth repeating.

I thought that the CL holders plus Champs in Pot 1 was a great idea, followed by a random draw [no two from the same country, though]. There is currently no reward in coming second to fourth and so, beyond the ludicrous seeding concept, there is no room for complaint. As for TV rights [Barca and RM on the same night, et cetera], surely TV, police and so on can sort out games on either Tues or Wed, alternative weeks and so on. Surely it's not that difficult, even for murky Michel?

the tv 'pairing' is the thing that really gets my goat
there just seems to be no understandable reasoning behind it
i can understand us being paired with the rags, neighbouring city what have you, but last year we were paired with Arsenal and this year with Chelsea
apart from trying to 'fix' a certain amount of the draw it makes little sense

But even if we are paired with rags it should just mean that we play opposites of home and away, surely no big deal?

i can't see the big deal but also can't see why Cluj couldn't go in our group and got put in theirs and couldn't see why we only had the choice of one group from five yesterday

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Well my suggestion of changing it, which I've posted before but will update for this season, before you even bother looking it at TV pairings etc., involves changing the coefficient system and making Pot 1 & 2 "Champions pots".

"Simply put", the coefficient points are weighted per season, meaning that points earned 4 years ago are worth less than last season's points.

So, using the current system, the pots were as follows:

Pot 1: Real Madrid (Esp) 161.542, Bayern Munich (Ger) 157.542, Barcelona (Esp) 154.328, Chelsea (Eng) 140.949, Benfica (Por) 129.459, Atletico Madrid (Esp) 119.542, Arsenal (Eng) 112.949, Porto (Por) 105.459.
Pot 2: Schalke (Ger) 95.328, Dortmund (Ger) 82.328, Juventus (Ita) 80.387, PSG (Fra) 80.300, Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukr) 78.193, Basel (Sui) 75.645, Zenit (Rus) 73.899, Man City (Eng) 72.949.
Pot 3: Leverkusen (Ger) 70.328, Olympiacos (Gre) 67.720, CSKA Moskva (Rus) 66.899, Ajax (Ned) 61.862, Liverpool (Eng) 58.949, Sporting CP (Por) 58.459, Galatasaray (Tur) 55.340, Athletic Bilbao (Esp) 54.542.
Pot 4: Anderlecht (Bel) 50.260, Roma (Ita) 39.987, APOEL (Cyp) 37.65, BATE (Bel) 33.725, Ludogorets (Bul) 18.125, Maribor (Slo) 16.2, Monaco (Fra) 11.3, Malmo (Swe) 6.265.

Now if the points earned were weighted as follows:
13/14: 100%, 12/13: 80%, 11/12: 60%, 10/11: 40%, 09/10: 20%.

The pots would look like this:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 102.91, Bayern Munich GER 94.82, Barcelona ESP 91.91, Chelsea ENG 87.6, Benfica POR 82.2, Atletico Madrid ESP 77.71, Arsenal ENG 65.8, Borussia Dortmund GER 62.62.
Pot 2: Schalke GER 61.8, PSG FRA 60.3, Porto POR 60.2, Juventus ITA 54.8, Basel SUI 52.2, Man City ENG 50, Zenit RUS 49.833, Leverkusen GER 47.62.
Pot 3: Shakhtar UKR 46.1, Olympiacos GRE 42.96, Galatasaray TUR 39.46, Ajax NED 36.2, CSKA Moskva RUS 32.33, Athletic Bilbao ESP 30.71, Sporting CP 28.79, Anderlecht BEL 27.45.
Pot 4: Liverpool ENG 26.2, APOEL CYP 21.31, BATE BLR 18.45, Roma ITA 17.2, Ludogorets BUL 16.72, Maribor SLV 11.99, Monaco FRA 6.3, Malmo SWE 4.32.

So some notable changes, Dortmund move up into Pot 1 at the expense of Porto, whilst PSG get much closer to Pot 1 and Arsenal much closer to Pot 2. Leverkusen displace Shakhtar from Pot 2 whilst Anderlecht bump Liverpool into Pot 4.

However, there is scope to alter the points system further. By offering larger points for winning games, and awarding more points to unseeded or lower pot teams for their victories, you create a system where teams accrue points based on merit, and their individual achievements, rather than treating each club the same. Implementing my points system creates the following pots:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Benfica POR 105.22, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, Basel SUI 69.73.
Pot 2: Porto POR 65.11, Schalke GER 63.2, PSG FRA 59.7, Arsenal ENG 58.42, Juventus ITA 52.1, Zenit RUS 51.6, Man City ENG 50.62, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.93.
Pot 3: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Shakhtar UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP 36.92, Anderlecht BEL 32.4, Liverpool ENG 31.1.
Pot 4: BATE BLR 29.6, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets BUL 27.97, Maribor SLN 25.9, Roma ITA 17.5, Malmo SWE 7.696, Monaco 6.3.

So this does a number of things. The added value of winning matches, larger points for getting further in the competition and more points to unseeded/lower pot teams, as well as the Europa League being regarded more highly, means that teams like Basel, who overachieve practically every season, get rewarded by suprisingly ending up in Pot 1, whilst teams like Arsenal, who do the bare minimum, get punished. It also narrows the gaps between pots, meaning teams shuffle around more leading to a greater variety of groups, but what if we reward champions with a higher pot for their success? Well I'm not going to rank it on the league coefficient, as that is already incorporated into the coefficient, instead I will use my new coefficients to rank the teams, with the first 2 pots going to champions.

Pot 1: Real Madrid [Holders] ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Benfica POR 105.2174, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, FC Basel SUI 69.73, PSG FRA 59.7, Juventus ITA 52.045, Man City ENG 50.62.
Pot 2: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Shakhtar Donetsk UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Anderlecht BEL 32.35, BATE BLR 29.61, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets Razgrad BUL 27.97.
Pot 3: Maribor SLN 25.9, Malmo FF SWE 7.696, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, FC Porto POR 65.11, Schalke 04 GER 63.2, Arsenal ENG 58.42.
Pot 4: Zenit RUS 51.603, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.94, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP POR 36.92, Liverpool ENG 31.1, Roma ITA 17.5, Monaco FRA 6.3.

What this does is it means that a) you get at least 2 champions per group, b) you get much greater variety in terms of groups, especially per season as it means teams swap groups with greater frequency and c) the champions benefit from the tv pairings as they get more options presented to them during the draw, while its the best placed teams who suffer having to be shunted into 1 or 2 group options because of the tv pairings, so instead of Arsenal, who finished 4th, receiving the option of 8 group slots, it's the champions who benefit from it. Also teams are spread more evenly across pots, making the draw and groups more interesting. With that system, still using TV pairings, you can end up with alternate groups such as the following:

Group A: PSG, Ludogorets Razgrad, Maribor, Galatasaray.
Group B: Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk, Barcelona, Zenit.
Group C: Man City, Anderlecht, Borussia Dortmund, Athletic Bilbao.
Group D: Juventus, Ajax, Chelsea, Bayer Leverkusen.
Group E: Atletico Madrid, Olympiacos, Arsenal, Monaco.
Group F: FC Basel, CSKA Moskva, Schalke 04, Liverpool.
Group G: Real Madrid, BATE Borisov, FC Porto, Roma.
Group H: Bayern Munich, APOEL, Malmo FF, Sporting CP.

Now it's not perfect, and there are still some "weak" groups, but that's down to who qualifies, but what this does is make it more unpredictable, it splits up the Pot 1 teams so they could be drawn together, it does the same to the stale Pot 2, making more unpredictable matches, and it also rewards champions, as I ended up not being able to put Monaco or Roma in City's group despite being drawn out because the Pot 1 teams get the advantage on TV pairings, thus they had to go in the other half of the draw.

Tis what UEFA should do in my humble opinion.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

the tv 'pairing' is the thing that really gets my goat
there just seems to be no understandable reasoning behind it
i can understand us being paired with the rags, neighbouring city what have you, but last year we were paired with Arsenal and this year with Chelsea
apart from trying to 'fix' a certain amount of the draw it makes little sense

But even if we are paired with rags it should just mean that we play opposites of home and away, surely no big deal?

i can't see the big deal but also can't see why Cluj couldn't go in our group and got put in theirs and couldn't see why we only had the choice of one group from five yesterday

because other teams from other leagues are also paired up and have to go in certain groups as well, thus narrowing our options.

 

[coleridge]

But even if we are paired with rags it should just mean that we play opposites of home and away, surely no big deal?

You'da thought , mate.

Between FFP and the CL draw, there's a lot of laughing at UEFA now. I think this is one predictable draw too far. It looked ridiculous live.

 

[squirtyflower]

But even if we are paired with rags it should just mean that we play opposites of home and away, surely no big deal?

i can't see the big deal but also can't see why Cluj couldn't go in our group and got put in theirs and couldn't see why we only had the choice of one group from five yesterday

because other teams from other leagues are also paired up and have to go in certain groups as well, thus narrowing our options.

we were the third team drawn out for goodness sake, surely that afforded us some choice, but no, Group E for the upstarts
also why is it the TV pairings are not aired at the beginning and possible ramifications for the draw?
and why does ours keep changing?

 

[citytill1die84]

Well my suggestion of changing it, which I've posted before but will update for this season, before you even bother looking it at TV pairings etc., involves changing the coefficient system and making Pot 1 & 2 "Champions pots".

"Simply put", the coefficient points are weighted per season, meaning that points earned 4 years ago are worth less than last season's points.

So, using the current system, the pots were as follows:

Pot 1: Real Madrid (Esp) 161.542, Bayern Munich (Ger) 157.542, Barcelona (Esp) 154.328, Chelsea (Eng) 140.949, Benfica (Por) 129.459, Atletico Madrid (Esp) 119.542, Arsenal (Eng) 112.949, Porto (Por) 105.459.
Pot 2: Schalke (Ger) 95.328, Dortmund (Ger) 82.328, Juventus (Ita) 80.387, PSG (Fra) 80.300, Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukr) 78.193, Basel (Sui) 75.645, Zenit (Rus) 73.899, Man City (Eng) 72.949.
Pot 3: Leverkusen (Ger) 70.328, Olympiacos (Gre) 67.720, CSKA Moskva (Rus) 66.899, Ajax (Ned) 61.862, Liverpool (Eng) 58.949, Sporting CP (Por) 58.459, Galatasaray (Tur) 55.340, Athletic Bilbao (Esp) 54.542.
Pot 4: Anderlecht (Bel) 50.260, Roma (Ita) 39.987, APOEL (Cyp) 37.65, BATE (Bel) 33.725, Ludogorets (Bul) 18.125, Maribor (Slo) 16.2, Monaco (Fra) 11.3, Malmo (Swe) 6.265.

Now if the points earned were weighted as follows:
13/14: 100%, 12/13: 80%, 11/12: 60%, 10/11: 40%, 09/10: 20%.

The pots would look like this:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 102.91, Bayern Munich GER 94.82, Barcelona ESP 91.91, Chelsea ENG 87.6, Benfica POR 82.2, Atletico Madrid ESP 77.71, Arsenal ENG 65.8, Borussia Dortmund GER 62.62.
Pot 2: Schalke GER 61.8, PSG FRA 60.3, Porto POR 60.2, Juventus ITA 54.8, Basel SUI 52.2, Man City ENG 50, Zenit RUS 49.833, Leverkusen GER 47.62.
Pot 3: Shakhtar UKR 46.1, Olympiacos GRE 42.96, Galatasaray TUR 39.46, Ajax NED 36.2, CSKA Moskva RUS 32.33, Athletic Bilbao ESP 30.71, Sporting CP 28.79, Anderlecht BEL 27.45.
Pot 4: Liverpool ENG 26.2, APOEL CYP 21.31, BATE BLR 18.45, Roma ITA 17.2, Ludogorets BUL 16.72, Maribor SLV 11.99, Monaco FRA 6.3, Malmo SWE 4.32.

So some notable changes, Dortmund move up into Pot 1 at the expense of Porto, whilst PSG get much closer to Pot 1 and Arsenal much closer to Pot 2. Leverkusen displace Shakhtar from Pot 2 whilst Anderlecht bump Liverpool into Pot 4.

However, there is scope to alter the points system further. By offering larger points for winning games, and awarding more points to unseeded or lower pot teams for their victories, you create a system where teams accrue points based on merit, and their individual achievements, rather than treating each club the same. Implementing my points system creates the following pots:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Benfica POR 105.22, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, Basel SUI 69.73.
Pot 2: Porto POR 65.11, Schalke GER 63.2, PSG FRA 59.7, Arsenal ENG 58.42, Juventus ITA 52.1, Zenit RUS 51.6, Man City ENG 50.62, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.93.
Pot 3: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Shakhtar UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP 36.92, Anderlecht BEL 32.4, Liverpool ENG 31.1.
Pot 4: BATE BLR 29.6, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets BUL 27.97, Maribor SLN 25.9, Roma ITA 17.5, Malmo SWE 7.696, Monaco 6.3.

So this does a number of things. The added value of winning matches, larger points for getting further in the competition and more points to unseeded/lower pot teams, as well as the Europa League being regarded more highly, means that teams like Basel, who overachieve practically every season, get rewarded by suprisingly ending up in Pot 1, whilst teams like Arsenal, who do the bare minimum, get punished. It also narrows the gaps between pots, meaning teams shuffle around more leading to a greater variety of groups, but what if we reward champions with a higher pot for their success? Well I'm not going to rank it on the league coefficient, as that is already incorporated into the coefficient, instead I will use my new coefficients to rank the teams, with the first 2 pots going to champions.

Pot 1: Real Madrid [Holders] ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Benfica POR 105.2174, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, FC Basel SUI 69.73, PSG FRA 59.7, Juventus ITA 52.045, Man City ENG 50.62.
Pot 2: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Shakhtar Donetsk UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Anderlecht BEL 32.35, BATE BLR 29.61, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets Razgrad BUL 27.97.
Pot 3: Maribor SLN 25.9, Malmo FF SWE 7.696, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, FC Porto POR 65.11, Schalke 04 GER 63.2, Arsenal ENG 58.42.
Pot 4: Zenit RUS 51.603, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.94, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP POR 36.92, Liverpool ENG 31.1, Roma ITA 17.5, Monaco FRA 6.3.

What this does is it means that a) you get at least 2 champions per group, b) you get much greater variety in terms of groups, especially per season as it means teams swap groups with greater frequency and c) the champions benefit from the tv pairings as they get more options presented to them during the draw, while its the best placed teams who suffer having to be shunted into 1 or 2 group options because of the tv pairings, so instead of Arsenal, who finished 4th, receiving the option of 8 group slots, it's the champions who benefit from it. Also teams are spread more evenly across pots, making the draw and groups more interesting. With that system, still using TV pairings, you can end up with alternate groups such as the following:

Group A: PSG, Ludogorets Razgrad, Maribor, Galatasaray.
Group B: Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk, Barcelona, Zenit.
Group C: Man City, Anderlecht, Borussia Dortmund, Athletic Bilbao.
Group D: Juventus, Ajax, Chelsea, Bayer Leverkusen.
Group E: Atletico Madrid, Olympiacos, Arsenal, Monaco.
Group F: FC Basel, CSKA Moskva, Schalke 04, Liverpool.
Group G: Real Madrid, BATE Borisov, FC Porto, Roma.
Group H: Bayern Munich, APOEL, Malmo FF, Sporting CP.

Now it's not perfect, and there are still some "weak" groups, but that's down to who qualifies, but what this does is make it more unpredictable, it splits up the Pot 1 teams so they could be drawn together, it does the same to the stale Pot 2, making more unpredictable matches, and it also rewards champions, as I ended up not being able to put Monaco or Roma in City's group despite being drawn out because the Pot 1 teams get the advantage on TV pairings, thus they had to go in the other half of the draw.

Tis what UEFA should do in my humble opinion.

This must have took u all day?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

i can't see the big deal but also can't see why Cluj couldn't go in our group and got put in theirs and couldn't see why we only had the choice of one group from five yesterday

because other teams from other leagues are also paired up and have to go in certain groups as well, thus narrowing our options.

we were the third team drawn out for goodness sake, surely that afforded us some choice, but no, Group E for the upstarts
also why is it the TV pairings are not aired at the beginning and possible ramifications for the draw?
and why does ours keep changing?

I didn't see the draw live so can't comment on it specifically, but it obviously changes as the teams who qualify change each year, and the likes of Sky will look to maximise their viewing figures by having their top 2 draws on different nights.

I see the point in pairings, and to be fair to the TV companies who pay that much money I think it's fair to say that only 2 teams from one country can be in either half of the draw, thus meaning that there isn't a situation where all 4 teams from one country play on the same night and none on the other. Splitting the groups A-D, E-H stops clubs moaning about why they have to play on such a night, and makes it simple for UEFA to allocate match nights, and 2 teams per nation per half gives the TV companies a fair deal for their investment. Whether or not they should be allowed to pick pairings is a different matter, but ultimately money talks, I think what I came up with goes some way to nullifying it.

Plus, you'll obviously get cases where only 2 teams may qualify from a league but they'll have to go in opposite halves, thus meaning spots get limited for other teams.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Well my suggestion of changing it, which I've posted before but will update for this season, before you even bother looking it at TV pairings etc., involves changing the coefficient system and making Pot 1 & 2 "Champions pots".

"Simply put", the coefficient points are weighted per season, meaning that points earned 4 years ago are worth less than last season's points.

So, using the current system, the pots were as follows:

Pot 1: Real Madrid (Esp) 161.542, Bayern Munich (Ger) 157.542, Barcelona (Esp) 154.328, Chelsea (Eng) 140.949, Benfica (Por) 129.459, Atletico Madrid (Esp) 119.542, Arsenal (Eng) 112.949, Porto (Por) 105.459.
Pot 2: Schalke (Ger) 95.328, Dortmund (Ger) 82.328, Juventus (Ita) 80.387, PSG (Fra) 80.300, Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukr) 78.193, Basel (Sui) 75.645, Zenit (Rus) 73.899, Man City (Eng) 72.949.
Pot 3: Leverkusen (Ger) 70.328, Olympiacos (Gre) 67.720, CSKA Moskva (Rus) 66.899, Ajax (Ned) 61.862, Liverpool (Eng) 58.949, Sporting CP (Por) 58.459, Galatasaray (Tur) 55.340, Athletic Bilbao (Esp) 54.542.
Pot 4: Anderlecht (Bel) 50.260, Roma (Ita) 39.987, APOEL (Cyp) 37.65, BATE (Bel) 33.725, Ludogorets (Bul) 18.125, Maribor (Slo) 16.2, Monaco (Fra) 11.3, Malmo (Swe) 6.265.

Now if the points earned were weighted as follows:
13/14: 100%, 12/13: 80%, 11/12: 60%, 10/11: 40%, 09/10: 20%.

The pots would look like this:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 102.91, Bayern Munich GER 94.82, Barcelona ESP 91.91, Chelsea ENG 87.6, Benfica POR 82.2, Atletico Madrid ESP 77.71, Arsenal ENG 65.8, Borussia Dortmund GER 62.62.
Pot 2: Schalke GER 61.8, PSG FRA 60.3, Porto POR 60.2, Juventus ITA 54.8, Basel SUI 52.2, Man City ENG 50, Zenit RUS 49.833, Leverkusen GER 47.62.
Pot 3: Shakhtar UKR 46.1, Olympiacos GRE 42.96, Galatasaray TUR 39.46, Ajax NED 36.2, CSKA Moskva RUS 32.33, Athletic Bilbao ESP 30.71, Sporting CP 28.79, Anderlecht BEL 27.45.
Pot 4: Liverpool ENG 26.2, APOEL CYP 21.31, BATE BLR 18.45, Roma ITA 17.2, Ludogorets BUL 16.72, Maribor SLV 11.99, Monaco FRA 6.3, Malmo SWE 4.32.

So some notable changes, Dortmund move up into Pot 1 at the expense of Porto, whilst PSG get much closer to Pot 1 and Arsenal much closer to Pot 2. Leverkusen displace Shakhtar from Pot 2 whilst Anderlecht bump Liverpool into Pot 4.

However, there is scope to alter the points system further. By offering larger points for winning games, and awarding more points to unseeded or lower pot teams for their victories, you create a system where teams accrue points based on merit, and their individual achievements, rather than treating each club the same. Implementing my points system creates the following pots:

Pot 1: Real Madrid ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Benfica POR 105.22, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, Basel SUI 69.73.
Pot 2: Porto POR 65.11, Schalke GER 63.2, PSG FRA 59.7, Arsenal ENG 58.42, Juventus ITA 52.1, Zenit RUS 51.6, Man City ENG 50.62, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.93.
Pot 3: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Shakhtar UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP 36.92, Anderlecht BEL 32.4, Liverpool ENG 31.1.
Pot 4: BATE BLR 29.6, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets BUL 27.97, Maribor SLN 25.9, Roma ITA 17.5, Malmo SWE 7.696, Monaco 6.3.

So this does a number of things. The added value of winning matches, larger points for getting further in the competition and more points to unseeded/lower pot teams, as well as the Europa League being regarded more highly, means that teams like Basel, who overachieve practically every season, get rewarded by suprisingly ending up in Pot 1, whilst teams like Arsenal, who do the bare minimum, get punished. It also narrows the gaps between pots, meaning teams shuffle around more leading to a greater variety of groups, but what if we reward champions with a higher pot for their success? Well I'm not going to rank it on the league coefficient, as that is already incorporated into the coefficient, instead I will use my new coefficients to rank the teams, with the first 2 pots going to champions.

Pot 1: Real Madrid [Holders] ESP 122.31, Bayern Munich GER 121.34, Benfica POR 105.2174, Atletico Madrid ESP 101.92, FC Basel SUI 69.73, PSG FRA 59.7, Juventus ITA 52.045, Man City ENG 50.62.
Pot 2: Olympiacos GRE 43.35, Shakhtar Donetsk UKR 39.67, Ajax NED 39.6, Anderlecht BEL 32.35, BATE BLR 29.61, CSKA Moskva RUS 29.45, APOEL CYP 28.1, Ludogorets Razgrad BUL 27.97.
Pot 3: Maribor SLN 25.9, Malmo FF SWE 7.696, Chelsea ENG 115.4, Barcelona ESP 99.71, Borussia Dortmund GER 73.94, FC Porto POR 65.11, Schalke 04 GER 63.2, Arsenal ENG 58.42.
Pot 4: Zenit RUS 51.603, Bayer Leverkusen GER 46.94, Athletic Bilbao ESP 41.04, Galatasaray TUR 38.01, Sporting CP POR 36.92, Liverpool ENG 31.1, Roma ITA 17.5, Monaco FRA 6.3.

What this does is it means that a) you get at least 2 champions per group, b) you get much greater variety in terms of groups, especially per season as it means teams swap groups with greater frequency and c) the champions benefit from the tv pairings as they get more options presented to them during the draw, while its the best placed teams who suffer having to be shunted into 1 or 2 group options because of the tv pairings, so instead of Arsenal, who finished 4th, receiving the option of 8 group slots, it's the champions who benefit from it. Also teams are spread more evenly across pots, making the draw and groups more interesting. With that system, still using TV pairings, you can end up with alternate groups such as the following:

Group A: PSG, Ludogorets Razgrad, Maribor, Galatasaray.
Group B: Benfica, Shakhtar Donetsk, Barcelona, Zenit.
Group C: Man City, Anderlecht, Borussia Dortmund, Athletic Bilbao.
Group D: Juventus, Ajax, Chelsea, Bayer Leverkusen.
Group E: Atletico Madrid, Olympiacos, Arsenal, Monaco.
Group F: FC Basel, CSKA Moskva, Schalke 04, Liverpool.
Group G: Real Madrid, BATE Borisov, FC Porto, Roma.
Group H: Bayern Munich, APOEL, Malmo FF, Sporting CP.

Now it's not perfect, and there are still some "weak" groups, but that's down to who qualifies, but what this does is make it more unpredictable, it splits up the Pot 1 teams so they could be drawn together, it does the same to the stale Pot 2, making more unpredictable matches, and it also rewards champions, as I ended up not being able to put Monaco or Roma in City's group despite being drawn out because the Pot 1 teams get the advantage on TV pairings, thus they had to go in the other half of the draw.

Tis what UEFA should do in my humble opinion.

This must have took u all day?

No, a few hours, I had most teams coefficients etc. saved up from doing it over the past couple of years to see how it changes compared to UEFA's, I can safely say mine is better.

 

[Blue Mist]

Before we all start celebrating thinking that Platini and his mob have seen sense by suggesting change next year, let us just remind ourselves of the 'istreee of this competition.

The rags, dippers Arse and others threatened a break away European super league. The answer was to give them the Champs league. Originally a mini league was played with the winners and runners up going into another mini league before a knockout stage.

It was so boring no one bought the TV packages and that was the reason it was changed.
All that has now happened is the system designed to protect 'The Elite' is throwing up the same old mini league matches, not just us v BM (and CSK) but Arse have the same opponents. Viewers are bored so they are looking to change it.

A word of caution, remember how they changed the rules to allow the dippers to defend their trophy ? I don't know how they will do it but they want the Rags in it for the money. Until we bring in a global audience that sells advertising they wont do f*ck for us.

Pessimistic.... Yes I should really be in the pub but I do not trust those f*ckers one little bit.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Before we all start celebrating thinking that Platini and his mob have seen sense by suggesting change next year, let us just remind ourselves of the 'istreee of this competition.

The rags, dippers Arse and others threatened a break away European super league. The answer was to give them the Champs league. Originally a mini league was played with the winners and runners up going into another mini league before a knockout stage.

It was so boring no one bought the TV packages and that was the reason it was changed.
All that has now happened is the system designed to protect 'The Elite' is throwing up the same old mini league matches, not just us v BM (and CSK) but Arse have the same opponents. Viewers are bored so they are looking to change it.

A word of caution, remember how they changed the rules to allow the dippers to defend their trophy ? I don't know how they will do it but they want the Rags in it for the money. Until we bring in a global audience that sells advertising they wont do f*ck for us.

Pessimistic.... Yes I should really be in the pub but I do not trust those f*ckers one little bit.

You've not gone to the pub because you don't trust UEFA?