Ched Evans - serious injury

[york away to this!]

Of all the footballers I've witnessed, I cant believe that it's the shed who's given me my first 200 page thread...

 

[EalingBlue2]

If is he is indeed innocent - and I'm not saying he definitely is - then why would he accept a guilty verdict? Would you accept a guilty verdict and not kick up a fuss if you were wrongly convicted of rape? Of course you wouldn't. You really do talk nonsense at times.

You also seem to imply from much earlier posts that those Twatter users that named the complainant are personal friends of his and it was some kind of coordinated campaign by Evans and his mates to harass her when it was clear they were random knobheads not engaging their brain who don't even know him.

I think on the latter it was a bit of both there were illegal things on his website and some of the things addressed were by close associates. The worst examples of specific naming though we're random Twatter.

I doubt he knows whether he is truly innocent or guilty himself to be honest he just thinks what he did wasn't a crime. He never stated any real case for consent in his own testimony. his own representation seemed to be very much I'm a footballer, girls love me, she's a slapper she loved it. If he had had a decent lawyer , good people around him, some humility and a modicum of common sense he would have probably have got away with the crime already.

 

[EalingBlue2]

So I take it then that all the people who praised our justice system when the original verdict was announced will now claim the system is bent?

So you know what the new evidence is and you know that someone suppressed it deliberately do you. If so please PM me details as I wouldn't want legally withheld information on a public forum. People might make that call on the facts when they come out.

 

[SWP's back]

So he's won his appeal against his conviction but has a new trial with the new evidence to decide what his punishment would have been... I suppose even if he's convicted again he's served the time... but that's a hell of a lot of time, money and effort to go through in order to try and get cleared. It's also a hell of a lot of trauma for the girl involved who has to go through it all again.

Not half as much trauma as he's been though if he's finally found not guilty.

As for the effort to be cleared, if you genuinely though you were innocent, wouldn't you do everything in you power to be cleared?

 

[M18CTID]

So you know what the new evidence is and you know that someone suppressed it deliberately do you. If so please PM me details as I wouldn't want legally withheld information on a public forum. People might make that call on the facts when they come out.

I don't think he's saying that he definitely didn't do it. As things stand at this moment in time he is no longer a convicted rapist in the eyes of the law but I think he's referring to posters - chabal for one - who have previously been at pains to stress on this thread that he was a convicted rapist in the eyes of the law and we should all accept it until such a time comes round that it gets quashed. So if they were happy to accept the guilty verdict then they shouldn't have any complaints at today's decision either.

 

[SWP's back]

That rather depends if there is earth shattering evidence like mistaken identity or a sophisticated blackmail plot. If there isn't them no one will change their mind and he may end up with more antipathy and campaigning against him than he would have had if this had not happened. As it is all under embargo for the retrial I guess no one knows.

I suspect in 5 years time the people who think he is guilty today still will and the people who think he is innocent still will and he will be tarred by the brush far worse because of all the appeals and trials as 10x as many people will be aware and have an opinion.

We shall see when the retrial comes I guess. I must admit though I don't see how any trial can be fair and reasonable now anyway as it seems everyone has an opinion and where they will find a jury that is clean and impartial I don't know.

Didn't you just say this last month:

As has been mentioned already, compensation usually comes in case of issues of police mal practice or the wrong person being prosecuted - there is no suggestion that this us anything other than some new information probably not available at the time that could have influenced the verdict.

The outcome of this won't be innocent it can't be, at best the verdict will be called in tsick doubt and a retrial won't happen as it wouldn't be in the public interest or viable

You'd think with a stopped clock being correct twice a day you may get the odd one right.

 

[2sheikhs]

Of course I don't know what the new evidence is. There's obviously something though or the court of appeal would have just dismissed it.
If there wasn't, all he could have appealed for is an erroneous decision or that the sentence was too harsh.

 

[SWP's back]

Even not guilty doesn't mean you aren't guilty (see OJ) it could mean you are but often it just means your barrister put enough doubt into the mind of the jury.

So before when you've always said he's guilty as he was found guilty and we should have faith in the justice system. You're now saying "actually I think he's guilty and always will whatever happens, just look at OJ"

You hypocrite.

 

[SWP's back]

If is he is indeed innocent - and I'm not saying he definitely is - then why would he accept a guilty verdict? Would you accept a guilty verdict and not kick up a fuss if you were wrongly convicted of rape? Of course you wouldn't. You really do talk nonsense at times.

You also seem to imply from much earlier posts that those Twatter users that named the complainant are personal friends of his and it was some kind of coordinated campaign by Evans and his mates to harass her when it was clear they were random knobheads not engaging their brain who don't even know him.

Don't forget he's the one that's said before he'd rather see an innocent fella locked up to reduce the chances that something happens to a member of his family.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Not half as much trauma as he's been though if he's finally found not guilty.

As for the effort to be cleared, if you genuinely though you were innocent, wouldn't you do everything in you power to be cleared?

To be fair we can't possibly know who has been through the most trauma, you may be right but given the stories of changed identity , moving 6 times, being hounded etc I suspect whatever happens she has gone through something easily as traumatic. Ched hasn't exactly showed much evidence of trauma through it all but that could be public face and I can't comment on what he want through inside.

As for what we'd do , who knows plenty of people have gone this way and plenty of people have gone for the quiet and put it behind you approach. It depends whether getting on with your life, having a new life, vinication is important and it depends on who matters to you and what they think. Psychologists would say that in many cases those who protest too much are often trying to prove it to themselves as it doesn't seem he has to prove anything to his family or Mrs family. what else can it be ? It's not about the football as if it was he would have cried on TV apologised and been playing 2 years ago. It can't be about the public either as 95% have made up their mind and will only change if something dramatic comes out which given the embargo and retrial seems unlikely?