Ched Evans - serious injury

[M18CTID]

I think on the latter it was a bit of both there were illegal things on his website and some of the things addressed were by close associates. The worst examples of specific naming though we're random Twatter.

I doubt he knows whether he is truly innocent or guilty himself to be honest he just thinks what he did wasn't a crime. He never stated any real case for consent in his own testimony. his own representation seemed to be very much I'm a footballer, girls love me, she's a slapper she loved it. If he had had a decent lawyer , good people around him, some humility and a modicum of common sense he would have probably have got away with the crime already.

Sorry but that's cobblers mate. I don't think anyone would deny he behaved like a dick that night - in fact, I bet if you asked him yourself he'd be wiling to admit that - but behaving like a dick and thinking you're Billy Big Bollocks because of your status as a professional footballer doesn't make you a rapist no matter how shitty your behaviour is.

From what I can remember of the trial, he did indeed present a version of events where consent was sought (I think according to him McDonald asked the question on his behalf) so I'm not sure where this opinion that he doesn't even know himself whether he raped her or not comes from. He either did it or not and he knows full well himself whether he's innocent or guilty.

 

[M18CTID]

Don't forget he's the one that's said before he'd rather see an innocent fella locked up to reduce the chances that something happens to a member of his family.

Ha ha, I remember that. As long as the innocent fella isn't Ealing himself then it's all good ;)

 

[EalingBlue2]

Don't forget he's the one that's said before he'd rather see an innocent fella locked up to reduce the chances that something happens to a member of his family.

That's twisting facts I said I (me) would rather be locked up innocent than see my daughter raped - I said there had to be a balance. I don't change that today either . As the law is set up entirely to make proof the burden of the prosecution and to make that beyond reasonable doubt And it's a legal system I approve of I don't see an issue - it was far more a black and white comment that I made than the grey comment above.

It's when Damocles supported by you said you'd rather 10000 guilty people go free than one innocent is locked up whatever the consequences and in his case even in the case of terrorism. You then never answered as to whether that means in places like cologne everyone should be innocent just in case.

Hope you had a good wedding and honeymoon and welcome back

 

[EalingBlue2]

Ha ha, I remember that. As long as the innocent fella isn't Ealing himself then it's all good ;)

In this case it was a call on me so yes it would have been me same way I'd take a bullet for my kids. I made a judgement on me ! SWP got antsy due to his belief that men should be innocent of crimes if they are too pissed to know if they committed them or not and are not in control of their actions. Some people believe in personal responsibility some don't I guess .

 

[M18CTID]

To be fair we can't possibly know who has been through the most trauma, you may be right but given the stories of changed identity , moving 6 times, being hounded etc I suspect whatever happens she has gone through something easily as traumatic. Ched hasn't exactly showed much evidence of trauma through it all but that could be public face and I can't comment on what he want through inside.

As for what we'd do , who knows plenty of people have gone this way and plenty of people have gone for the quiet and put it behind you approach. It depends whether getting on with your life, having a new life, vinication is important and it depends on who matters to you and what they think. Psychologists would say that in many cases those who protest too much are often trying to prove it to themselves as it doesn't seem he has to prove anything to his family or Mrs family. what else can it be ? It's not about the football as if it was he would have cried on TV apologised and been playing 2 years ago. It can't be about the public either as 95% have made up their mind and will only change if something dramatic comes out which given the embargo and retrial seems unlikely?

Maybe it's because he's innocent eh?

Fucking hell, you really excel at times Ealing! It seems that in your world everyone wrongly convicted of a crime should take the Stefan Kiszko approach, accept their punishment, and shut the fuck up. Quality!

 

[moomba]

It can't be about the public either as 95% have made up their mind and will only change if something dramatic comes out which given the embargo and retrial seems unlikely?

I'm not sure thats the case.

I've considered him guilty as he got found guilty in a court of law. I've had some doubts but in the long run I wasnt in court so I have to accept the verdict of those that were.

If he gets off in a retrial I'll consider him innocent. I imagine the majority will be the same. And rightly so imo.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Sorry but that's cobblers mate. I don't think anyone would deny he behaved like a dick that night - in fact, I bet if you asked him yourself he'd be wiling to admit that - but behaving like a dick and thinking you're Billy Big Bollocks because of your status as a professional footballer doesn't make you a rapist no matter how shitty your behaviour is.

From what I can remember of the trial, he did indeed present a version of events where consent was sought (I think according to him McDonald asked the question on his behalf) so I'm not sure where this opinion that he doesn't even know himself whether he raped her or not comes from. He either did it or not and he knows full well himself whether he's innocent or guilty.

I don't know that in a trial you have all said is so grey anyone can ever really know it's a judgement on beyond reasonable doubt.

My comment was that he could have got away with the crime had he behaved differently, namely the billy big bollox shit was a big let in the prosecution and verdict as it pointed to a pattern of behaviour and belief of being above consent. Had he nehaved differently he would probably not have been convicted (note I am talking about conviction not whether he was really guilty or not guilty).

 

[EalingBlue2]

I'm not sure thats the case.

I've considered him guilty as he got found guilty in a court of law. I've had some doubts but in the long run I wasnt in court so I have to accept the verdict of those that were.

If he gets off in a retrial I'll consider him innocent. I imagine the majority will be the same. And rightly so imo.

Fair enough, I guess on the last point it all depends on the facts that come out and we don't yet know and depending on those people will decide.

 

[SWP's back]

In this case it was a call on me so yes it would have been me same way I'd take a bullet for my kids. I made a judgement on me ! SWP got antsy due to his belief that men should be innocent of crimes if they are too pissed to know if they committed them or not and are not in control of their actions. Some people believe in personal responsibility some don't I guess .

I actually said two pissed people consenting to sex should both have the same protection under law rather than the onus being on the drunk man to be able to tell if the woman is sober enough to consent. But let's not digress.

Let's hope the retrial is soon enough so that he's either found not guilty (and able to piece some sort of career together), or found guilty even with the new evidence and the plaintiff is able to move on and he can't again complain that he was unjustly convicted.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I thought this body were there to assess judicial practice in the case rather than new evidence.

My understanding was that it's opinion is effectively a mistrial due to misleading advice from the judge.