Ched Evans - serious injury

[EalingBlue2]

I actually said two pissed people consenting to sex should both have the same protection under law rather than the onus being on the drunk man to be able to tell if the woman is sober enough to consent. But let's not digress.

Let's hope the retrial is soon enough so that he's either found not guilty (and able to piece some sort of career together), or found guilty even with the new evidence and the plaintiff is able to move on and he can't again complain that he was unjustly convicted.

There s the run if two people consent there is no crime it's consentual so there's no argument.

I quite agree on the second part it needs to be quick and public but where can a jury be found not tainted .

 

[2sheikhs]

Your suggestion that some people may just want to get on with their lives rather than make an appeal may well be so for the general public. Evans, however, has had the whole thing played out in public. Do you honestly think he'd want to sit back and let the whole world think he's a rapist if there's a chance that he could clear his name?

 

[Manchester33]

I'd wait until the verdict to discuss whether or not he's innocent. IMO there's no smoke without fire, however to be a convicted rapist seems harsh.

In my mind, the first thing I think of when you hear 'convicted rapist' is someone who's dragged a girl down an alleyway and battered/raped her. The crime Evans is being accused of should be renamed to something like 'consent-less sexual activist' or something less extreme. My thoughts (based on the limited knowledge I have) are that the girl was incredibly drunk, probably up for it whilst under the influence of alcohol, felt a bit of an idiot the next day and it went from there. I don't think it was rape, I think she regrets having sex with someone, if that's rape then 99% of men in Britain should be getting sent down!

Moving away from sarcasm though, it's a joke that he served a similar sentence to the likes of Rolf Harris. He'll also be referred to as a rapist, regardless of whether he's retrospectively found innocent which surely affects his human rights?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Right decision in my opinion.
Can't condone any of the behaviour that night, but being stupid doesn't make you a rapist.

 

[SWP's back]

There s the run if two people consent there is no crime it's consentual so there's no argument.

I quite agree on the second part it needs to be quick and public but where can a jury be found not tainted .

I honestly can't see how any jury member could be unless they live in a cave or don't speak human.

 

[FanchesterCity]

For a 'normal' man - it's possible that the trauma and financial burden of trying to clear your name become so great that 'giving up' is the preferred choice. Tragic as that is, it happens. It'll affect his career prospects forever, but he will typically be able to walk the streets, or enter a pub without pointing drawing attention (assuming he avoids old haunts)

For a celebrity, there is no escaping the pointing fingers. The accusation becomes their defining attribute above and beyond whatever caused their celebrity status in the first place. Evans would forever be 'the footballer who raped'. Even if he clears his name, he's stuck with 'the footballer who was accused of rape' but at least it's appended with '... but was found innocent'.

He'll always attract the 'no smoke without fire' comments etc, but at least he'll be able to hold his head up with a 'not guilty' verdict.

We will never be washed entirely clean of this matter now though - and there's something that seems inherently unjust about that.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I honestly can't see how any jury member could be unless they live in a cave or don't speak human.

jury selection will be fun as its vital no one on the jury has an unfair opinion of him (or her)

 

[Yates]

I assume so, won't get back the time he's lost in football, coming off arguably his best possible season which more than likely would have got him a move to the Championship makes it hard to predict where he'd be today. He'd most likely have been going to the Euro's this summer as well.

Potential hundreds of thousands if a championship move was the case, that's been what 3-4 years he's missed now? Plus compo for being wrongly imprisoned.

 

[Dubai Blue]

My thoughts (based on the limited knowledge I have) are that the girl was incredibly drunk, probably up for it whilst under the influence of alcohol, felt a bit of an idiot the next day and it went from there. I don't think it was rape, I think she regrets having sex with someone, if that's rape then 99% of men in Britain should be getting sent down!

She didn't even know she'd had sex with anyone. It was entirely the decision of the police to proceed with the rape allegations. The victim and her regrets had nothing to do with it.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I actually said two pissed people consenting to sex should both have the same protection under law rather than the onus being on the drunk man to be able to tell if the woman is sober enough to consent. But let's not digress.

Let's hope the retrial is soon enough so that he's either found not guilty (and able to piece some sort of career together), or found guilty even with the new evidence and the plaintiff is able to move on and he can't again complain that he was unjustly convicted.

I agree with is a major problem with the Sexual Offences Act.
Consent isn't actually consent unless it's given with the full capacity to give it. So a drunken 'yes' is not consent.
The drunken person giving consent is deemed to not have the capacity to choose correctly, but the person interpreting the yes is not afforded the same - but it's a long debate about that and a bit of a tangent from Evans himself.

IN the Evans case, there was enough reasonable doubt.