Citizens (cont)

[dannybcity]

no your right we should just do fuck all and sit in silence.

Where did I say that?!

Anyway, are you having a capo and a drum or not?

 

[BETTER-DEAD-THAN-RED]

no your right we should just do fuck all and sit in silence.

Where did I say that?!

Anyway, are you having a capo and a drum or not?

We are going to try a capo to see how it goes. As for the drum we shall see we may try it just to see how it goes.

But as it stands we are not using a drum, we are also trying a capo but not for the full game just from time to time. We are just seeing what works and what doesn't really without just stating that it won't like some have.

Also sorry for being nasty, i was just in a mood.

 

[Mcfc in Israel]

Its a shame we cant get something going between the two groups. We are all city fans with the same aim, which is to support the players. not kicking off amongst ourselves.

Dont get me wrong our away support is 'impeccable (term often used by a defeatist woodpecker), but i feel our home support needs a bit more flare (not literally - H&S issues, Bans etc etc), you know like Celtic had an amazing showing before Barca with everyone holding up the paper on the seats that the club provided which looked great!!

Theres gotta be many a ways to booster the atmosphere but fighting with fellow blues and all that jazz isnt going to help. The club will just laugh at you.

keep up the good work though, sure the numbers will grow.

 

[dannybcity]

no your right we should just do fuck all and sit in silence.

Where did I say that?!

Anyway, are you having a capo and a drum or not?

We are going to try a capo to see how it goes. As for the drum we shall see we may try it just to see how it goes.

But as it stands we are not using a drum, we are also trying a capo but not for the full game just from time to time. We are just seeing what works and what doesn't really without just stating that it won't like some have.

Also sorry for being nasty, i was just in a mood.

Well with all due respect then I hope it doesn't take off. I don't like the thought of our support becoming an poor imitation of the European ultras.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

What are the political leanings of The Citizens Ultra Group?

 

[wearethesouthstand]

The thing is is you see us Citizens still want the spontaneous of the English atmosphere but want to keep the atmosphere going when it dies down to nothingness.

I have been chatting to the other lads and we are only wanting to use the capo when we need to use one and same with the drum, sort off half and half with English atmosphere and European atmosphere. If the English type atmosphere is picking up and doing well they we will sing that way but if everyone stops singing then we want a way to get everyone going again and we plan to TRY and use a capo and drum. We don't intend to use a drum all game though as was seen with the ajax fans, just for a few songs.

We want a mix, also we can't really be judged just yet as we are trying things and we have only been to one game together and our plan will take many years.

If that makes any sense.

no, it doesn't

you should've just joined the blue alliance

TBA want English type atmosphere only, The Citizens want a mix.

hi, with all due respect. the difference is not one wants a euro atmosphere and one an english one. i made the point earlier how english atmospheres had always been good up until recently when working class fans have been priced out of it. we make suggestions to the club all the time about safestanding, ticket prices, putting metal things under the roof to make the noise travel better ("we have to seek permission from the council first") - we have a 3 figure membership but theres 48000 going so we ask other fans other branches what they want and try to put forward majority opinions. people said the pa gets on their nerves, the pa was turned down for recent games, you could say it didn't work for a variety of reasons but it was a majority view at the time

tba did try stick flags v villarreal and bayern and encouraged the club to do a euro style display which they did with those blue and white cards

no, the main difference at the minute is that we try and seek a mandate from the city support generally, ask their opinion and then pass that onto the club. rather than do what 1 or 2 individuals want to do we take a broader view. there's plenty of tba people who like the idea of euro style displays and if the majority of city fans wanted that we would try and do that but reason we don't go with capo and don't go with drum is because majority of city fans don't want it, neither does club. so we could have done exactly the same at what you did - but we feel long term that's not going to be the best way of taking as many fans with us altogether on the atmosphere project

it's the MCFC supporters network with its 14,000 membership which kept the club going (along with 37,000 people who came through the junior blues under ian niven over 25 years) - that helped shaped where we are as a support now.

we don't bring up atmosphere questions at exec committee meetings because we wouldn't want to be seen or accused of trying to influence / radicalise a supporters organisation that has worked well since 1949.

as well as helping us get tickets together for games and helping us organise better, part of becoming an official branch was to then give the nod to the OSC for the work they've done keeping the support together over the years then seeking to take people with us once they have seen we are not trying to replace what they have done. they have spent 60 odd years doing what they have been doing and wouldn't want that work being undermined. likewise the blue alliance has been going 4 years and 16 months as a branch now and just as we are making some progress with the club wouldn't want to see all our hard work undone, which is why if "the citizens" would have dropped in at some point last year this year or at the meeting last week, we could have been able to explain that we share the same views as you in terms of let's improve the atmosphere but we are trying to do it in a way which people will favour

we are a relatively new branch and wouldn't want to be seen as 1) trying to hijack / radicalise OSC meetings and 2) put kev parker and his committee in a position where other branches are attacking him for favouring our ideas all the time.

we are here for others to join us and engage with us if/when they want to.

what you guys are doing can only work at eds games beacuse there is no capacity in the ground to create a new block of singers, club saying there are 2 singing areas and we should try and increase the volume in these 2 areas with ideas led and suggested by the fans.

if our recent survey would've had a majority of people suggesting put a capo in 118 then there would have been food for thought. but there wasn't so why would we piss people off by putting one in there?

going back to point of working with branches who want to work with us, we will be sending people down to reddish branch on 29th nov for the safestanding roadshow and giving our view on that. we were approached last season by the football supporters federation to talk about safestanding when we had peter fletcher down but we knew the club's stance is they turn a blind eye to standing in some blocks but the law is the law so no point in mithering fletcher even more when we had our own agenda of other ideas to talk about

 

[Raffles]

Well, as there have been quite a few pages I'm going to do all this in one post (I hope).

Don't nick songs from Celtic. Make your own lyrics atleast ..

ALL football songs are nicked from somewhere. You think the Balotelli song is original? You think "the only football team to come from Manchester" is original? Oh - and they did use their own lyrics (last time I looked, Celtic play in green and white and don't come from Eastlands).

...You personally are out of your depth. I really hope you don't represent The Citizens as their intentions are good. Unfortunately going the wrong way about it.

Then please tell them the right way. It seems this thread has a lot of "speakers for the opposition". Maybe you should all stop watching PMQ ;)

...I was keen on joining the Citizens, but unfortunately they do look to be being led by younger lads...

This is because they were the only ones to actually get off their collective arses and do something. If everyone thought like that, than it will only ever be "led by younger lads". I was there - and I'm 45! There were a couple of others over 30. You can have fun at any age. If you want a beer with your mates - then go ahead and do that but please remember that this is an Ultras style group - not a firm!

...Well with all due respect then I hope it doesn't take off. I don't like the thought of our support becoming an poor imitation of the European ultras.

So you'd rather we all just sat there in silence for the main part of the game? If you really want to keep the status quo at Eastlands, then that's fine. You want to "support" your team the way you want - and that's great. These lads (and lasses) want to support theirs their way.

What are the political leanings of The Citizens Ultra Group?

The Citizens are A-Political - as in, there are NO politics involved - unless you include the Church of Manchester City (where we all worship). There is also no racism, no songs about other teams or their players (current or otherwise). The Citizens just want to sing and chant about City and their players (at all levels) and I, for one, can't find anything wrong with that!

*2p*

 

[dannybcity]

...Well with all due respect then I hope it doesn't take off. I don't like the thought of our support becoming an poor imitation of the European ultras.

So you'd rather we all just sat there in silence for the main part of the game? If you really want to keep the status quo at Eastlands, then that's fine. You want to "support" your team the way you want - and that's great. These lads (and lasses) want to support theirs their way.

Stop trying to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as people who don't want anyone to sing. I'd like nothing more than the stadium rocking every week but aimless noise doesn't create atmosphere, half the time it actually kills it.

 

[Raffles]

Stop trying to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as people who don't want anyone to sing. I'd like nothing more than the stadium rocking every week but aimless noise doesn't create atmosphere, half the time it actually kills it.

Sorry mate - wasn't aware I was.

I am struggling a bit here though. What do you mean by "aimless noise"? Do you mean someone trying to start a "song" that only lasts a few seconds because someone else started a different song a few blocks over and their attempt fails for the very same reason?

If so, I totally agree with you. This was the main impetus for starting The Citizens in the first place - to try and get everyone singing from the same hymn sheet (pun intended).

Sorry again if I caused offence.

Andy

 

[dannybcity]

Stop trying to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as people who don't want anyone to sing. I'd like nothing more than the stadium rocking every week but aimless noise doesn't create atmosphere, half the time it actually kills it.

Sorry mate - wasn't aware I was.

I am struggling a bit here though. What do you mean by "aimless noise"? Do you mean someone trying to start a "song" that only lasts a few seconds because someone else started a different song a few blocks over and their attempt fails for the very same reason?

If so, I totally agree with you. This was the main impetus for starting The Citizens in the first place - to try and get everyone singing from the same hymn sheet (pun intended).

Sorry again if I caused offence.

Andy

In my opinion banging a drum and chanting the same song over and over again doesn't improve the atmosphere and it certainly doesn't offer any kind of encouragement to the players. Atmosphere is created by fans reacting to the players and players reacting to the fans.