City and Chelsea to Fail Financial Fair Play....

[blue_paul]

@ FBloke,

Can you give me some sort of analysis about how we'll increase revenues, using the land adjacent to the ground please? We're still taking a risk in developing there surely, especially in the midst of a recession.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Base rates will never hit higher than four per cent in the next two years.

Bank of England will never take that risk, even with inflation. They would rather have inflation than mass meltdown.

United are safe for a few more years.

On the other issues...Spurs have shown how you can have more than one shirt sponsor dependent on which competition you are in.

The gnashing and wailing will reach unbelievable levels when we start rolling out the deals, one after another.

I expect our turnover to DOUBLE in the next 12 months alone and surpass Chelsea in terms of revenues.

You suggesting that we could well have more than one shirt sponsor?

One for the PL and one for CL?

And why not?

The Champions League is the prestige competition and in terms of fair value, the commercial kudos which comes with it, is worth shitloads.

Whether Etihad decide they have first dibs, at Prem or Champs level, would be guesswork.

If nothing else, people can expect a renegotiation of the current Etihad terms, based on Champs League exposure.

Etihad may well think it is worth a lot more than the current £8m a season?

I suggest Barca's £125m with the Qatar Foundation is where people should now start doing their sums.

Liverpool take £20m a year from Standard Charter, we are £12m a year off that, alone.

And they won't be in Champions League or possibly even Europe next season.

All this will be separate from an independent stadium naming rights. Again, think Arsenal and beyond.

 

[fbloke]

Thats why I talked about 3 new kits, you never know it could be one home, one away/third another for CL home, CL away?

Or alternatively one massive deal justified by evidence that we could have done the above?

Fook me, we really will be ruining football lol

Match Ball Sponsor for todays game against York is Stevie's Decorating Services, Heywood ;-)

 

[ardwickboy]

according to the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9450671.stm

How will Man City 'play fair' financially?

Two of English football's top-four clubs could be excluded from European competition in future as they fail Uefa rules that are about to be introduced.

The Financial Fair Play Regulations do not come into force until 1 June and will not really bite until 2013.

However, a study of recent accounts by BBC Sport shows Chelsea and Manchester City would fall well short of the rules if they were being applied today.

City were £110m in the red while Chelsea showed a deficit of over £50m.

Uefa's rules allow clubs to run up losses of £65m over the first five years.

Financial fair play has been introduced by European football's governing body Uefa to try and level the playing field between clubs funded by the super rich and those less fortunate.

In simple terms, teams cannot spend more than they generate from the football side of their business.

I don't think it will be difficult for the English clubs to comply because they are very well managed and very well aware of what is coming

Gianni Infantino
Uefa general secretary
Uefa will have the power to ban any side that repeatedly flouts the rules from European competition.

The guidelines aim to measure a club's football business. Any revenue earned from side businesses such as property, hotels or media are excluded. So too are any costs not directly associated with the football club - such as huge interest payments like the ones incurred by Manchester United's owners the Glazer family.

United made a pre-tax loss of £79m in 2010 but, by Uefa's measure, actually returned a positive break-even result of £42m.

Arsenal would also easily meet the guidelines, posting a surplus of £55m. With no single wealthy owner at the Emirates Stadium, they pride themselves on running a sustainable football business.

Football finance expert Andy Green, who writes the blog andersred, carried out the analysis of the clubs' accounts. He believes Chelsea and Manchester City in particular have a mountain to climb to meet the guidelines.

"For Chelsea, I think if they can get a bigger ground they can probably get there," he told BBC sports editor David Bond.

"For City, they've got a long way to go. They need to get into the Champions League, stay there year after year, probably put their ticket prices up and really turn around their commercial side - in fact they need to make it one of the best in the world - to even have a chance of meeting these rules."

Uefa general secretary Gianni Infantino said he was optimistic that English clubs would be able to comply with the rules though.

"I don't think it will be difficult for the English clubs to comply because they are very well managed and very well aware of what is coming," he told BBC Sport.

"There is sufficient time in order to implement the regulations. The English clubs are among those generating the highest revenues in Europe.

"The basic rule is the break-even rule that says you cannot spend more than you generate, so if you generate more than the others you have an advantage. So I am not worried at all about the English.

"I'm sure the managers of the English clubs are thinking about this, because they know the regulations are coming into force.

"They know what these rules mean and how we will implement them. I am sure that tomorrow they will put their finances in order so they are able to break even.

"Our president spoke to Manchester City's owners over a year ago when we started with this process and they were very happy with it."

-- Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:19 am --

of course that depends who you believe here...the UEFA secretary who claims we willl not have a problem...or some dirty rag who blogs on football finances

Taken from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/green-andy

Profile
Andy Green is a London based financial analyst and professional investor. He writes the "andersred blog" about football finance and ownership issues and is an advisor to the Manchester United Supporters Trust. After many years as a Stretford End season ticket holder, he gave up his seat this year in protest at the Glazers' ownership of Manchester United but still attends the occasional game, especially away from home

So if United say generate £1 million per game and a club like Bolton generate £100,000 per game, surely that will make the gap even bigger by the end of a season allowing clubs like united to be able to buy the best players and Bolton the cheaper players thus not allowing thw smaller clubs to get on even terms, or is it me not understanding all this?

 

[blueinsa]

Thanks to TH and fb for the replies and whilst i always knew that future sponsorships would be exciting i really don't think we have grasped what it is will happen to us just yet, especially in financial terms.

I for one am looking forward to the day that CL is in the bank and deals can be announced.

 

[Danamy]

Thanks to TH and fb for the replies and whilst i always knew that future sponsorships would be exciting i really don't think we have grasped what it is will happen to us just yet, especially in financial terms.

I for one am looking forward to the day that CL is in the bank and deals can be announced.

Now you know why it's sooooo important we get top 4 this season.............

 

[Deleted member 14625]

lol at uefa, they wont even have a league in ten years time, tv money means city, scum, barca and co with have their own league and own tv deals.
the euro premier league is a certainty.

I'm certain that somewhere along the line i have read an article that says that BskyB, Sky Italia and someone from the middle east (?) will be a joint venture at the head of this. Might have been pure speculation but possisbly...

Without Real Madrid and others UEFA will be a comlpete joke. They need to tread very carefully.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Thanks to TH and fb for the replies and whilst i always knew that future sponsorships would be exciting i really don't think we have grasped what it is will happen to us just yet, especially in financial terms.

I for one am looking forward to the day that CL is in the bank and deals can be announced.

So does Khaldoon...hence his little reminder what Champs League football will mean for this club.

Each year we miss out, is a frustration in terms of what Shiekh Mansour and Khaldoon visualise for our club in the years ahead.

They want to start playing this game for real. I believe the leisure attraction, alone, will generate sponsorship monies most clubs have never dreamed of.

City will be a £1billion club in the years to come and a licence to print money.

And why huge crowds will be subsidised as a result.

I feel another tipping point thread coming up in about, er, say, ten weeks?

 

[blueinsa]

Thanks to TH and fb for the replies and whilst i always knew that future sponsorships would be exciting i really don't think we have grasped what it is will happen to us just yet, especially in financial terms.

I for one am looking forward to the day that CL is in the bank and deals can be announced.

Now you know why it's sooooo important we get top 4 this season.............

Indeed....;-)

 

[bluemonkey71]

Considering we will be spending a shit load on players this summer, nobody needs to fret...

The flame to really ignite this thread ;-)

Oi Tolm get back on the quiet thread or else you'll infect this one :O)