BTH
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blueprintreader said:noel you like to paint a picture that you are the innocent party in all this why don't you tell everyone on here how you bullied a couple of blue print fanzine editors in the early 90s
punching one in the kippax tunnel
swinging at another two weeks later only for it to be broken up by the old bill
Wrong on every point as discussed ad nausem. However, it is very interesting that you define your entire virtual presence merely as a reader of a long defunct fanzine. I think you're underselling yourself here as I suspect you are something a bit more than a mere reader somehow. In fact, you’re so chummy that I get the strange feeling that not only have we met sometime before but we know each other reasonably well? However, it is abundantly clear that you have harboured a deep-lying grudge for many, many years so I suppose this thread has been like manna from heaven to you! Again, as I have already stated, only two people were present at both of these incidents. Phill and I. Therefore, you were not, unless of course you are Phill posting under a pseudonym!? A similar possibility has been postulated by another poster on this thread. However, I’m 110% certain that you are not Phill, so this means that you have stumbled across this story at best second hand but more likely via ‘Chinese whispers.’ My guess is that it was the former rather than the latter.
blueprintreader said:noel you ARE a bully, or at least always WERE
fancy hitting someone when they have their little lad on their shoulders
A nice victimisation angle for history revisionists like yourself but a fanciful notion that is completely and utterly untrue. It would appear that the only person who has ever uttered or whoever believed this fabrication is yourself. I suppose it is possible that FN may have had a child with them (I honestly do not remember), but even if this was the case they certainly were not “on their shoulders” as you have claimed. I think I might have remembered that somehow! But even if this was the case you’d have to ask why any parent in charge of a child would be grappling (for want of better description) with anyone else in the knowledge that any physical provocation may well lead to retaliation.
blueprintreader said:cowardly
A rich comment coming from someone who appears to have set up a BM account solely to launch a personal and error-strewn sustained attack from beneath the cloak of anonymity. As I have already stated: the invisible enemy can never reveal itself. However, in your case, I think you should. I think it’s only fair, but only because I believe you are somebody who was - and possibly still is - connected to fanzines rather than just the “blueprintreader” you claim to be. I suspect “blueprintcontributor” might have been more accurate even if it was a while ago! You can PM me if you like on the understanding that I will not reveal your identity publicly on this board as I accept it could be a bit embarrassing for you.
blueprintreader said:blueprint was the 1st fanzine and was popular - think you were just jealous of that
At last, something I can agree with – the first part at least. Blueprint led the way; I’ve never had a problem with crediting them for that, as you will be aware. The editor of another fanzine always said he’d had the same idea at roughly the same time or perhaps earlier and contributed to their first or possibly second issue. It’s perfectly feasible but yes, they were out first. That’s a historical fact and cannot be contradicted. I used to buy it myself and looked forward to it coming out. In fact, I used to get a credit in the early issues, although I’ve got absolutely no idea why to this day. TBF BP was fresh, invigorating and yes, popular. No doubt about it. It’s a bit disingenuous to suggest I was “jealous” when I’ve always credited them as an inspiration. As I said, they led the way and, eventually, they lost their way too.
The irony is, of course, that BP said in their first issue something along the lines of helping to inspire other people to follow their example. I got the impression that they weren’t too chuffed when KK rolled up but as they were old mates they could live with it. However, I don’t think BP were too enamoured when
we breezed into fanzine corner – a case of two’s company, three’s a crowd, I always thought.
blueprintreader said:Gordon Brown also denied being a bully too!
Not worth commenting on really.
blueprintreader said:this is my final post bully boy, it seems even your rivals in politics think you are a piece of work too... oer to you donal...
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Great footy & silly letters
Not content with whingeing, Labour have sunk to the new low of permanent name calling. Oh dear, oh dear!
Labour’s “local” people have a tendency to be rather rude and childish. There is one chap who is simply unable to remember his local Cllrs names, and now last year’s Labour candidate in my ward has the childishness to address a letter to Dermot O’Hanlon in the local paper!
Noel, if you are incapable of reading people’s names written down in front of you, how do you expect the electorate to have confidence in any other abilities you may have?
If I began referring to Ivor Lewis MP, the Council Leader being Ben Blobby, or United’s Manager being Alex Ferdinand, would it be funny, or just churlish and pathetic?
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Blimey, you like your politics though, don’t you? There are a lot of similarities between fanzines and politics. It can be a thankless task, but with the muck-raking you’ve been doing you could be the Benjamin Pell of the fanzine world!
“Piece of work” is a nice turn of phrase, I used to know someone who used that phrase. A lot. Can’t quite put my finger on who it was now… It’ll come back to me though, I’m sure.
To be fair, it was the crime of the century wasn’t it? Mistakenly getting the name of a local councillor wrong. Even the local paper didn’t clock it and they printed it incorrectly too. You’ve got to laugh really. He’s achieved the same kind of anonymity that you’ve elected for with your new screen persona. I’d have thought the Lib-Dems might have something a bit more substantial to concern themselves with rather than a typo in the local freesheet!
blueprintreader said:then there was the time you thought BP had grassed you up to the police, perhaps you could enlighten everyone how you instigated that particular period of bad feeling?
Tut-tut, wasn’t there something about your previous post being your last?
So fundamentally wrong it’s untrue, but if you’re happy to enlighten everyone as to your identity then I’ll attempt to enlighten you in return, although I wasn’t actually aware of any particular period of bad feeling? Still, you’ve said it so it must be true.
-- Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:22 pm --
Phill said:BTH said:I've already covered this so I don't know why you keep whining about it - other than the fact that this unfortunate trait appears to be deeply ingrained in your DNA. As you have already said, I was some distance away in the Kippax tunnel. I didn't have a clear view of what was happening - not unsurprising given that it was half-time and there were a lot of people milling about.
However, I became aware of a kerfuffle - you've provided the details; I can neither agree nor disagree on this point as I didn't have a clear view. However - and this is the crucial bit - in order to see what was going on I made my way over. I saw you shove her.
Now you have claimed that you are only "little" Phill in a desperate bid for victim status. Not many people would consider 5'10" to be little and it is an inch above the average UK height of 5'9" for males. However, and what cannot be disputed is that you are/were significantly significantly bigger than her, as she is/was tiny. To suggest that someone so slight was acting "aggressively" is as laughable as Kevin Horlock's sending off for "aggressive walking" at Dean Court and you surely must realise this? Whatever happened and I have no reason to dispute your take on what I didn't see, do you really think it's acceptable to push young girls around? I don't now and I didn't then and that's why you got a slap for your trouble. Some people might say you got off lightly.
Therefore, I'm obliged to add another answer to your Who Wants To Be A Millionaire-style quiz round re your moot point and your moot point only: I DON'T KNOW. That "interactive" enough for you?
Noel Bayley... Noel Edward Bayley.
Nobody as much as suggested you did, so maybe it's time to get off your high horse?
Against a background of someone who shoves young girls about, a wannabe hooligan or perhaps even someone who drives around to people's house to confront them on their own doorsteps (I note you haven't made mention of this Phill, but then it doesn't fit into your agenda, does it?) the oft-bandied-about assertions that I've bullied or intimidated anyone suddenly start to ring a bit hollow now, don't they? I defended what was mine; who wouldn't? I still am! But the irony is that it's quite laughable really coming from someone who never did have much of a sense of humour. Maybe that's why you couldn't handle the banter when you weren't with your BP chums and didn't have the numbers. It always was a numbers game though with you lot, wasn't it?
P.S. Let me know if you fancy a pint with Dante and I.
-- Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:05 pm --
Hilarious reply straight from the Arsne Wenger school of ''I didn't see the incident at the time''.
The good thing is though, anyone viewing this can read exactly between the lines and the only person you are trying to convince now is yourself here.
As I have repeated, there was no shoving. Just pulling (yes Noel, I pulled your bird ;) ) How could I have pushed anyone with a bunch of magazines in one hand and holding on to the bag your girlfriend was trying to snatch in the other?
Oh, please enlighten me, if a person (regardless of size) walks up to someone and attempts to steal something from another person by snatching a bag from them, do you not see that as being agressive? If not, what exactly do you call it?
And she had made her way back to you before you even set off to thump me, just another little fact you have got wrong. Again, my comment of little Phill was comparing me to your frame, not that of your accomplice who was trying to steal from me. I do apologise for not letting her walk off with the bag, was that what I was supposed to do? Was this also what you refer to as ''a bit of banter'', eh, Noel? Damn, sorry for not realising it was all a joke!
I'll have a pint with Dante anytime and often do though I cannot for the like of me think of any reason why I would want to do something enjoyable such as that in your company. But thanks for the offer.
As I have said before, you know full well what went on that afternoon and also that scuffle outside the North Stand. If, 18 years later you cannot just come clean and hold your hands up, then I have nothing further to say to you.
Oh, and what's that bit about driving round to someones house? you lost me there.
Thank you for reading, Leon Edwards.
-- Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:48 pm --
He'll probably thump me again and then tell anyway who cares to listen that I tripped over and landed on his fist.
I speak to Dante a lot and even put up his wardrobes and bed in his house in Blackley for the price of a few beers and a meal (Dante was so proud of himself making me a vegetarian meal...and then poured gravy all over it ha ha)
Dave and Sue I see not to often but always say hello. I see Sue more as I enter the ground from the Newton Heath side, she even let me use her phone last season as I can never get a signal on mine when in the vacinity of the ground.
Tom too, I see occasionally, he gave me a lift home after the UEFA cup 1st round game. I wrote the ''scripts'' for his Dagenham Dan cartoon.
The Chips n' Gravy, Singing the Blues lads, to be honest, I wouldn't recognise them at all. Steve Welsh I see running around Salford occasionally as I work in the area, again, always give a hello to him and he return one.
Noel, well funnily enough, I hadn't seen him since City moved to Eastlands, (not that I have been looking) but on the way to the recent Newcastle game, I passed him (I was in a car, he on foot) on Newton Street. Sadly I wasn't driving, so he lived to see the game. (Only joking Noel, it's all banter innit mate)
I've already described the incident from what little I saw of it as argy-bargy- although I'm not sure who "Arsne Wenger." I'd best tip blueprintreader off as he's got a thing about first names being spelt correctly! I accept that this may not have been banter, given your POV. A practical joke then, I would venture, but hardly aggressive.
However, it sounds like you're quite a man about the house these days Phill, when you're not out shopping. Good for you. Here, have this on me...
As you well know, we have been in each others company since the now infamous incident which you continue to refer to as a "thump" and I as a "slap." Maybe your memory isn't what it was, but I don't recall slapping you then. Having said that, there weren't any waifs to push about, so maybe that's why.
BTW I'll be sure to give you a shout if ever I get myself any self-assembly bedroom furniture.
Cheers.