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SWP's back said:
I could be a seller, I would keep the mags between me legs so no one could nick em.
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city fanzines....
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I could be a seller, I would keep the mags between me legs so no one could nick em.
BTH
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de niro said:SWP's back said:Anyone fancy making a new fanzin?
Positions vacant;
Writer
Editor
PR writer
Another writer
Enforcer x 12
Victim
Tiny girlfriend
Historian
Banana
I could be a seller, I would keep the mags between me legs so no one could nick em.
Unlike li'l Phill!
SWP's back
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de niro said:SWP's back said:Anyone fancy making a new fanzin?
Positions vacant;
Writer
Editor
PR writer
Another writer
Enforcer x 12
Victim
Tiny girlfriend
Historian
Banana
I could be a seller, I would keep the mags between me legs so no one could nick em.
I bet you would - saucy sod!
m27
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BTH said:wearethesouthstand said:when i say contribute, i mean reveal his true identity and his feelings on what went on, i know he is on this thread, had pm contact with him over the weekend
I thought Tom may have been M27 TBH? There wasn't this much cloak and dagger stuff going on when I was at the MoD during the Cold War.
Not me Noel. I was a contributor and never understood how people had the time to edit a fanzine. I respect anyone who had the commitment for that. I was always someone who just used the vehicle as my catharsis during the tougher times. I loved CTIC though, it suited me more than all the other fanzines if I'm honest.
As I previously posted, I knew about the mither but didn't know the ins and outs of it all. I've gone through about 8 bottles wine reading this thread over the past week!
As some have said, this thread is the best one to EVER grace Bluemoon.
There is no other club in this country who could EVER have a thread like this.
(maybe because their fanzine editors never fell out.....lol)
But, repeating myself, from an earlier post, I love the fact that the editors and all those involved are still so passionate about events and their respective publications.
I never bought CTIC (sorry!!) so I cannot comment on that fanzine.
I bought a couple of issues of Maine Stand View and Singing The Blues - preferred STB out of those two, if I'm honest.
Blue Print - as has been said - started the ball rolling, it was witty, it was easy to read and it captured that era perfectly.
Kotk and Electric Blue/BTH...... now, they had a bit mores substance (no offence to the others)
I subscribed to KotK and used to buy EB/BTH at matches - both cracking reads.
I'm glad that "younger" viewers have had this thread brought to their attention.... in todays climate, where "atmosphere at games" is an issue and people query one anothers support for City, they can now see that back in the day, we were (are) all as passionate about City, as they are now.
Just one last mention for Noel......... and I have no idea why this has stuck with me for so long, but, without actually digging out the fanzine itself, this story is vivid in my head......
You wrote a story about an away trip to Southampton..... the fanzine itself was from around the time of the last Maine Road derby..... and in it you told of some mither you had from the locals in a Southampton pub, resulting in one of them twatting you!!
So for the rest of you, not putting myself in the "Team Noel" camp or anything, but that is hardly the "tale" of a bully, is it!!!
There is no other club in this country who could EVER have a thread like this.
(maybe because their fanzine editors never fell out.....lol)
But, repeating myself, from an earlier post, I love the fact that the editors and all those involved are still so passionate about events and their respective publications.
I never bought CTIC (sorry!!) so I cannot comment on that fanzine.
I bought a couple of issues of Maine Stand View and Singing The Blues - preferred STB out of those two, if I'm honest.
Blue Print - as has been said - started the ball rolling, it was witty, it was easy to read and it captured that era perfectly.
Kotk and Electric Blue/BTH...... now, they had a bit mores substance (no offence to the others)
I subscribed to KotK and used to buy EB/BTH at matches - both cracking reads.
I'm glad that "younger" viewers have had this thread brought to their attention.... in todays climate, where "atmosphere at games" is an issue and people query one anothers support for City, they can now see that back in the day, we were (are) all as passionate about City, as they are now.
Just one last mention for Noel......... and I have no idea why this has stuck with me for so long, but, without actually digging out the fanzine itself, this story is vivid in my head......
You wrote a story about an away trip to Southampton..... the fanzine itself was from around the time of the last Maine Road derby..... and in it you told of some mither you had from the locals in a Southampton pub, resulting in one of them twatting you!!
So for the rest of you, not putting myself in the "Team Noel" camp or anything, but that is hardly the "tale" of a bully, is it!!!
blue_robb
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fanzine rivalries
Wouldn't mind re-reading some old fanzines, but think the many copies I bought are stuck in the attic of an old house in Moss Side. Been great to remember some of the characters that contributed to that time.
KoTk always was a bit of a dry read, and apart from a bit of small talk with Dave Wallace outside Maine Road, I guess my impression is that he was of a different generation, to put it kindly.
Whereas some of the other fanzines spoke more directly, and with a bigger emphasis on the cups for cockups going on, and with great humour.
BTH, Chips n Gravy, City til I cry. Walking home from Maine Road, grabbing 6 Stella for a fiver and then collapsing on the sofa for a good read.
Back when home game tickets for a City Card member were nowhere near £50.
But the interwebs have their moments, kudos to the blue earlier who would like see fanzine pdfs for their Apple I-pads. I guffawed.
Wouldn't mind re-reading some old fanzines, but think the many copies I bought are stuck in the attic of an old house in Moss Side. Been great to remember some of the characters that contributed to that time.
KoTk always was a bit of a dry read, and apart from a bit of small talk with Dave Wallace outside Maine Road, I guess my impression is that he was of a different generation, to put it kindly.
Whereas some of the other fanzines spoke more directly, and with a bigger emphasis on the cups for cockups going on, and with great humour.
BTH, Chips n Gravy, City til I cry. Walking home from Maine Road, grabbing 6 Stella for a fiver and then collapsing on the sofa for a good read.
Back when home game tickets for a City Card member were nowhere near £50.
But the interwebs have their moments, kudos to the blue earlier who would like see fanzine pdfs for their Apple I-pads. I guffawed.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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A new fanzine? Would have to be by subscription only and then downloaded to one of those Kindle, KinderEgg, iPad wotsits so that you can avoid being set-upon by the outraged GF of one of the opposition sellers!
Gary James
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Oh dear, that all took a turn for the worst!
For any younger reader who may not have been around when the fanzine movement started (I once called it the 'fanzine community' in something I wrote and I was soon told how wrong the word community was)....
Regardless of the behind the scenes problems/conflicts etc. the fanzine movement was absolutely vital and, at City, we were lucky to have so many dedicated people. Ignore the war, focus on the achievements.
I was never part of any fanzine, though I was fortunate enough to have some articles printed on occasion (and it really was only the odd occasion - Joe's death; Swales' last interview; Swift feature; Allison Wonderland article; Dad's Army/Lee & Barlow piece - I think that was it). However, of the original 3 (BP, KK & BTH) all of them were supportive of my book writing.
My book research and writing started around the same time as the fanzine movement with my first book published in 1989, so they helped me and others at a time when the rest of the media tended to have no interest in City writing (a well-known City reporter at the time of my first City book told me I shouldn't bother in the future - City fans don't read!).
I don't know what drove any of the first fanzine editors on, but my feeling was that Mike Kelly, Dave Wallace and Noel Bayley started their fanzines because they felt something needed to be said. I felt the same with my book writing.
I may be wrong but I don't think ego or anything came into it, I think they honestly wanted to give fans a voice; correct some of the wrongs and ills of the game at the time; and really to alter the direction of the club and the game.
The late 80s were a very bleak time for football supporters - and City fans in particular - and we really did not have a voice. The Supporters Club was perceived negatively by some fans while the Government appeared anti-fans (not necessarily anti-football as such, but definitely against fans). Football was not a game the Government wanted to promote because of their views on fans - there's no way the PM would have publicly supported a bid for England to stage the World Cup in the late 80s!
Football Authorities were out of touch and at City... well, it's not worth focusing too much on the negativity of the latter Swales years but as a fan standing on the Kippax they were bad, very bad. Silly things were issues. It sounds crazy to even mention them now but there were real issues like the facilities on the Kippax (remember the PA system issues - every year they tested the equipment in an empty stadium, every year it wouldn't work properly on match day, every year they'd believe those on the Kippax were whingers... one of the fanzines simply suggested 'why don't you test the system in a stadium with people').
There were the very big issues as well (ID cards; fences; electric fences at Stamford Bridge which Swales did talk with Bates about; fans being blamed for all sorts of ridiculous club activities as well - our fault Machin was sacked for example!), but the key thing is that those first 3 fanzines did help to change so much. Of course, they were also entertaining at times and the later fanzines were able to focus more on humour than the first 3 tended to.
Inevitably there were splits and disagreements between the different fanzines, personalities and so on. But again, it has to be remembered that each fanzine did have a different style and so maybe that was inevitable. Also, don't forget that the Supporters Club split in 1993, and it's taken them 17 years to get back together, so maybe this is a peculiarity of City (who knows, perhaps in 1968 there were 'Bell Wars' between Helen Turner and a rival bell ringer!).
Of those first 3 fanzines I have to say they each carried some high quality writing at times. Some of the contributors were terrific writers. I am delighted that both Dave Wallace and Steve Worthington have in recent years had books published - they write differently but they are both excellent writers. Similarly, I'd love to see Noel write a book (perhaps best to avoid fanzine wars though).
For those 3 I am absolutely convinced that their aims with the fanzines were to inform, raise issues and to further the interests of City fans. It says a lot that it's only now after over 2 decades of fanzine writing that 2 of them have chosen to write books - the fanzine was their aim, it wasn't a short cut to fame, fortune, writing career etc.
So, despite any negativity you may read on this thread, please understand that the fanzine culture was absolutely vital and that we at City gained a great deal by having these guys motivated enough to do something about it.
It took (and I guess still takes) an awful lot to produce a fanzine and these people did it because they had the motivation. I don't know how much it cost to produce their first issues, but these people stood up and did it.
They all deserve praising for that.
For any younger reader who may not have been around when the fanzine movement started (I once called it the 'fanzine community' in something I wrote and I was soon told how wrong the word community was)....
Regardless of the behind the scenes problems/conflicts etc. the fanzine movement was absolutely vital and, at City, we were lucky to have so many dedicated people. Ignore the war, focus on the achievements.
I was never part of any fanzine, though I was fortunate enough to have some articles printed on occasion (and it really was only the odd occasion - Joe's death; Swales' last interview; Swift feature; Allison Wonderland article; Dad's Army/Lee & Barlow piece - I think that was it). However, of the original 3 (BP, KK & BTH) all of them were supportive of my book writing.
My book research and writing started around the same time as the fanzine movement with my first book published in 1989, so they helped me and others at a time when the rest of the media tended to have no interest in City writing (a well-known City reporter at the time of my first City book told me I shouldn't bother in the future - City fans don't read!).
I don't know what drove any of the first fanzine editors on, but my feeling was that Mike Kelly, Dave Wallace and Noel Bayley started their fanzines because they felt something needed to be said. I felt the same with my book writing.
I may be wrong but I don't think ego or anything came into it, I think they honestly wanted to give fans a voice; correct some of the wrongs and ills of the game at the time; and really to alter the direction of the club and the game.
The late 80s were a very bleak time for football supporters - and City fans in particular - and we really did not have a voice. The Supporters Club was perceived negatively by some fans while the Government appeared anti-fans (not necessarily anti-football as such, but definitely against fans). Football was not a game the Government wanted to promote because of their views on fans - there's no way the PM would have publicly supported a bid for England to stage the World Cup in the late 80s!
Football Authorities were out of touch and at City... well, it's not worth focusing too much on the negativity of the latter Swales years but as a fan standing on the Kippax they were bad, very bad. Silly things were issues. It sounds crazy to even mention them now but there were real issues like the facilities on the Kippax (remember the PA system issues - every year they tested the equipment in an empty stadium, every year it wouldn't work properly on match day, every year they'd believe those on the Kippax were whingers... one of the fanzines simply suggested 'why don't you test the system in a stadium with people').
There were the very big issues as well (ID cards; fences; electric fences at Stamford Bridge which Swales did talk with Bates about; fans being blamed for all sorts of ridiculous club activities as well - our fault Machin was sacked for example!), but the key thing is that those first 3 fanzines did help to change so much. Of course, they were also entertaining at times and the later fanzines were able to focus more on humour than the first 3 tended to.
Inevitably there were splits and disagreements between the different fanzines, personalities and so on. But again, it has to be remembered that each fanzine did have a different style and so maybe that was inevitable. Also, don't forget that the Supporters Club split in 1993, and it's taken them 17 years to get back together, so maybe this is a peculiarity of City (who knows, perhaps in 1968 there were 'Bell Wars' between Helen Turner and a rival bell ringer!).
Of those first 3 fanzines I have to say they each carried some high quality writing at times. Some of the contributors were terrific writers. I am delighted that both Dave Wallace and Steve Worthington have in recent years had books published - they write differently but they are both excellent writers. Similarly, I'd love to see Noel write a book (perhaps best to avoid fanzine wars though).
For those 3 I am absolutely convinced that their aims with the fanzines were to inform, raise issues and to further the interests of City fans. It says a lot that it's only now after over 2 decades of fanzine writing that 2 of them have chosen to write books - the fanzine was their aim, it wasn't a short cut to fame, fortune, writing career etc.
So, despite any negativity you may read on this thread, please understand that the fanzine culture was absolutely vital and that we at City gained a great deal by having these guys motivated enough to do something about it.
It took (and I guess still takes) an awful lot to produce a fanzine and these people did it because they had the motivation. I don't know how much it cost to produce their first issues, but these people stood up and did it.
They all deserve praising for that.