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Major article in the Athletic on our sponsorships. This will gain lots of traction with the usual suspects:



None of this fucking matters as long as everything is at fair value, other than giving the PL something to do and wasting money reviewing values when they should be developing the game.

The very first dispute on fair value will put all this PL nonsense to bed.
 
Major article in the Athletic on our sponsorships. This will gain lots of traction with the usual suspects:


The key words are the last three in this desperate and bitter diatribe. "Deals legally OK".

So Crafton is making a big nothing burger over deals that are legal and OK. What a complete knobhead.
 
Already been dissected by Stefan on Twitter.

- Crafton says the usual line about some key elements/allegations being out of UEFA's 6 year limitation, so couldn't be charged, with some being unproven. We know the reverse to be true, CAS stated multiple times in their release that the key allegations against the Club that no evidence had been provided by UEFA to prove them. Most of the allegations that did fall foul of UEFA's own time bar rules were allegations at a time when FFP didn't exist in any event.

- He says a PL arbitration if City have found to have broke PL rules following their investigation have no time bar limitations. Again, incorrect. The rules are governed ultimately by UK law, this is stated clearly in the Premier League's own rule book. UK law has a stature of limitations.

- Points out that through City having sponsorships with companies with links to Mubadala/Abu Dhabi, new sponsorships & entities such as Silverlake have gone on to create business ties with Mubadala through getting involved @ City, & deepen their own ties to other entities who deal with them. This to me is basic capitalism, unsure of it's relevance.

Now, my own thoughts are that the article is a fair piece overall, in line with the recent adoption of new PL sponsorship rules, which people do have a clear interest in. In contrast to the usual crap from the likes of Delaney & Evans it is at least readable so that is night & day. My issue is what I've stated above, there are clear glaring inaccuracies around City's sponsorship dealings & history with CAS etc, information that is readily available online. This makes me query his motives for not admitting them. At least he states, the key thing I might add: There is nothing legally wrong with any of these relationships. They have all been properly entered into.
 
Already been dissected by Stefan on Twitter.

- Crafton says the usual line about some key elements/allegations being out of UEFA's 6 year limitation, so couldn't be charged, with some being unproven. We know the reverse to be true, CAS stated multiple times in their release that the key allegations against the Club that no evidence had been provided by UEFA to prove them. Most of the allegations that did fall foul of UEFA's own time bar rules were allegations at a time when FFP didn't exist in any event.

- He says a PL arbitration if City have found to have broke PL rules following their investigation have no time bar limitations. Again, incorrect. The rules are governed ultimately by UK law, this is stated clearly in the Premier League's own rule book. UK law has a stature of limitations.

- Points out that through City having sponsorships with companies with links to Mubadala/Abu Dhabi, new sponsorships & entities such as Silverlake have gone on to create business ties with Mubadala through getting involved @ City, & deepen their own ties to other entities who deal with them. This to me is basic capitalism, unsure of it's relevance.

Now, my own thoughts are that the article is a fair piece overall, in line with the recent adoption of new PL sponsorship rules, which people do have a clear interest in. In contrast to the usual crap from the likes of Delaney & Evans it is at least readable so that is night & day. My issue is what I've stated above, there are clear glaring inaccuracies around City's sponsorship dealings & history with CAS etc, information that is readily available online. This makes me query his motives for not admitting them. At least he states, the key thing I might add: There is nothing legally wrong with any of these relationships. They have all been properly entered into.
I don't tweet, so thanks for that. Stefan, as usual, on point. I agree that the piece is fair overall despite some inaccuracies and some of the reaction to it here is a bit overstated. I think the inaccuracies owe more to laziness than bad faith.
 
None of this fucking matters as long as everything is at fair value, other than giving the PL something to do and wasting money reviewing values when they should be developing the game.

The very first dispute on fair value will put all this PL nonsense to bed.
Yes, but what is fair value? Ultimately our commercial rivals will decide and that is why PL will lose in a dispute.
 
Don’t know why the media give up on all this propaganda pieces now the mass majority of opposing fans especially the history club ones have already been assimilated into weapons of mass sheep who all come out on social media to spout the city bingo!

The scousers the rags yanks have done there Job.
 
I know and understand relatively little of the world of finance but I have an interest in football finance and in the attitude of the football authorities to it. So when I read such a rambling and inconclusive sermon as this I am heartened that many others know and understand no more than me. I was interested to learn that City's deal with Nexen had judged market value just about right because United made a deal worth 2/3 more, which they're obviously entitled to. I would like a bit of explanation though. But what I found astonishing above all else was that very successful businessmen often buy concerns and then they use people they have employed in their other enterprises to run them and that this is scandalous at least, if not dishonest. Any contacts between these concerns must be viewed with the deepest concern and suspicion. I am reminded of my brother-in-law who, at the time of his retirement, was on the board of no fewer than 25 national and international companies. I thought it must be because he was good at business and management and that he was careful not to throw away one penny of the revenue of each and every one of those companies. Thanks to the Athletic I am now having second thoughts. I never realised that Abu Dhabi businessmen must be different and used their companies for the benefit of a football club. I thought that was Agnelli so they could shell out 100 million euros on ... what's his name? Still if all this can be sorted out it'll clearly be sorted by the PL, as fine a set of fair minded gents as you could meet, though they may need a bit of help from UEFA. As long as FSG can remain safe in their virtuous circle.
 
It wont because the bigger footballing story now is the open bias by sections of the footballing industry towards Man Utd and Liverpool. It's really obvious. Another investigation of Manchester City? Yawn. Try looking once in a while elsewhere.

I mean the "usual suspects" of Harris and Harris, Delaney, Panja, Smith, assorted Guardian writers etc etc will use the article to back-up their pre-existing viewpoints and lots of the content will be regurgiated by them in their own articles and on pods.
 
Already been dissected by Stefan on Twitter.

- Crafton says the usual line about some key elements/allegations being out of UEFA's 6 year limitation, so couldn't be charged, with some being unproven. We know the reverse to be true, CAS stated multiple times in their release that the key allegations against the Club that no evidence had been provided by UEFA to prove them. Most of the allegations that did fall foul of UEFA's own time bar rules were allegations at a time when FFP didn't exist in any event.

- He says a PL arbitration if City have found to have broke PL rules following their investigation have no time bar limitations. Again, incorrect. The rules are governed ultimately by UK law, this is stated clearly in the Premier League's own rule book. UK law has a stature of limitations.

- Points out that through City having sponsorships with companies with links to Mubadala/Abu Dhabi, new sponsorships & entities such as Silverlake have gone on to create business ties with Mubadala through getting involved @ City, & deepen their own ties to other entities who deal with them. This to me is basic capitalism, unsure of it's relevance.

Now, my own thoughts are that the article is a fair piece overall, in line with the recent adoption of new PL sponsorship rules, which people do have a clear interest in. In contrast to the usual crap from the likes of Delaney & Evans it is at least readable so that is night & day. My issue is what I've stated above, there are clear glaring inaccuracies around City's sponsorship dealings & history with CAS etc, information that is readily available online. This makes me query his motives for not admitting them. At least he states, the key thing I might add: There is nothing legally wrong with any of these relationships. They have all been properly entered into.
Well said and I concur with that.
 
Ha ha ha ha & not 2 fucks were given

They can write what they want, we’re top of the table, pretty much through to the next round of CL, should put Posh to bed (not the skinny cow I may add) in the FA Cup & are now tasting the salty tears of the press yet AGAIN

I love it. Keep on crying you bunch of bitter cunts :)
 
Full link to the article on open source archive.ph here:



The article is very detailed and very long:)
Having now read it I can't see that much wrong with it. It pretty much dismisses the "sportswashing" narrative because it shows clearly that the business strategy of CFG is commercial and economic (backed up by the old quote from Garry Cook) The feature also makes it clear that City have done nothing illegal and explains the CAS case in a fairer way (ie stressing the only breach we made was "non-co-operation." It also points out that other clubs have done exactly the same thing with sponsorship deals.
The only issue I have is why pick out City and publish this now. Anyone who has ever worked in business will know full well that the vast majority of commercial deals (probably more than 90 per cent) always heavily rely on personal contacts between people who already have established personal or business links. In fact it is the entire way business deals are done whether we like it or not. If the Athletic want to go down this route than they should start looking at the commercial sponsorhips of every club in the PL. That would be a can of worms.
 
Having now read it I can't see that much wrong with it. It pretty much dismisses the "sportswashing" narrative because it shows clearly that the business strategy of CFG is commercial and economic (backed up by the old quote from Garry Cook) The feature also makes it clear that City have done nothing illegal and explains the CAS case in a fairer way (ie stressing the only breach we made was "non-co-operation." It also points out that other clubs have done exactly the same thing with sponsorship deals.
The only issue I have is why pick out City and publish this now. Anyone who has ever worked in business will know full well that the vast majority of commercial deals (probably more than 90 per cent) always heavily rely on personal contacts between people who already have established personal or business links. In fact it is the entire way business deals are done whether we like it or not. If the Athletic want to go down this route than they should start looking at the commercial sponsorhips of every club in the PL. That would be a can of worms.
I wonder if the author has ever heard of networking?
 
I was interested to learn that City's deal with Nexen had judged market value just about right because United made a deal worth 2/3 more, which they're obviously entitled to. I would like a bit of explanation though.
I wondered about this too. If United's deal is for £15m, what's to say we can't get a deal for the same amount or even more? After all, we are far more successful than them on the pitch, and are likely to be for the foreseeable future.

So who decides what is fair value? If ever there was a deal that wasn't fair value, it was the Chevrolet one, where the person that signed it off for the American company was sacked for acting beyond his authorisation remit.

I also don't think there has been an overreaction from City fans about this article. As has already been pointed out, the article contains inaccuracies and inconsistencies. It highlights some of the new ownership structure, which might be new for some people, but everything else is old news. What is its purpose? Its title says it poses the question what our structure means for Newcastle United. Really? I didn't see it as an appraisal of how Newcastle would be treated or impacted by FFP or the new PL regulations. It was just muddying the waters surrounding City, lest anyone should forget that in the eyes of popular opinion we are already cheats.

It is disingenuous, but you only need to quickly look at RAWK to see that it achieves its objective of keeping us up there with Lance Armstrong as the biggest cheats in sport.
 
So much for a subscription based service not having to pander to the usual suspects!

People keep writing stuff like this but the entire business model is that you get pandered to.

That's the schtick. You read stories by local journalists dedicated to covering your club.

They made that clear from the off, so I'm always a bit confused when people complain about them pandering or being partisan.
 
The only issue I have is why pick out City and publish this now.

I would assume it's just when he's finished it. The rule was passed last month and we've been announcing sponsors on a regular basis since, so it's topical.

He's previously written articles about -

Burnley's shady American ownership
Wolves & Mendes
American Billionaire owners' designs on changing the sport
Newcastle's takeover
The Glazers financial mismanagement and bad ownership of United

So it's hard to really make a case that Crafton writing an article on City's owners is biased or special treatment.

Personally I see it as a validation as much as anything. Someone has forensically gone through every single sponsor at the club and found no wrongdoing, great!
 
“The pope is a catholic”
”this is perfectly legal and above board”
”he was given the job by his catholic friends and colleagues “
”catholics seem to hold a lot of influence on who becomes pope”
”it has to be said every pope ever has been a catholic”
”this perfectly legal and above board”
 
I would assume it's just when he's finished it. The rule was passed last month and we've been announcing sponsors on a regular basis since, so it's topical.

He's previously written articles about -

Burnley's shady American ownership
Wolves & Mendes
American Billionaire owners' designs on changing the sport
Newcastle's takeover
The Glazers financial mismanagement and bad ownership of United

So it's hard to really make a case that Crafton writing an article on City's owners is biased or special treatment.

Personally I see it as a validation as much as anything. Someone has forensically gone through every single sponsor at the club and found no wrongdoing, great!
That's a fair point. There are a few factual errors in the article (relating to the time barred stuff) but broadly it is just a background article which explains our business model. How can it be wrong for example for the Emirates Palace, the leading hotel in Abu Dhabi, to be one of our partners? The hotel has been given amazing exposure from its links with MCFC.
I also thought the reference to LFC having lower revenues than us is strange. Despite Liverpool's global reach they have underperformed badly for most of the last 12 years and City have overtaken them. We have probably been the most successful club in world football in the last decade..that has to come with a financial bonus.
 

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