City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

BerkshireBlue said:
here you go for reference.

my opinion is the PL are really going to struggle to get any rules that will work for the next 3 years. What they need to do is set the rules now for a year one monitoring period then in 3 years start the evaluating rolling period. It's the only way it's fair and legal across all clubs
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I stand by that. There is no way they are going to, for example, charge Everton an extra £20m for the last 2 years and say another £5m before October such that they fail 22/23 by enough extra for, say, 3 more points, 23/24 for maybe another 3 points and make it near impossible for them to pass 24/25 and 25/26 all due to rules that didn't even exist before October so beyond their control. If you disagree that is also fine.

As for your other point, politically there is no way the PL can admit defeat such that there are no rules at all. Again, if you disagree that is also fine.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
I'm struggling with all this, as you can probably tell.

I can't see any business reason why City would want to force the PL to apply the new rules retrospectively, but I can think of many reasons why the PL would want to do that themselves, and why City would want to stop them.

Anyway, I have taken up enough of your time. If you had to explain everything to me about this whole sorry mess that I struggle with, we will both be here until doomsday. We will see soon enough, I suppose.
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Because if they insist on the retrospective without a matching mitigation, we could have, for example, to charge Everton an extra £20m pa FMV interest (could be more) for the last 2 years and say another £5m before October such that they fail 22/23 by enough extra for, say, 3 more points, 23/24 for maybe another 3 points and make it near impossible for them to pass 24/25 and 25/26 all due to rules that didn't even exist before October so beyond their control.
 
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Blue Mist said:
It's Sunday so no work.
It's too cold to do the garden.
Too early for the pub, just what can I do ?

I know, I'll come on here and argue the toss for 3 hours with someone I've never met about one of City's best ever off the field wins*

*If it's spelt wrong please change to wins.
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Happy to help :-)
 
Can anyone point me in the direction of the 2 papers released by the tribunals? If I am going to comment on the threads, I should at least read the documents.
 
mad4city said:
Let it go, mate.
Pretty much invariably, the plea of "it's common sense" is one based upon the premise that one person's hunch, whim or instinct somehow trumps the education, qualifications and/ or lived experience of the person or people proposing the opposing view.
Your implementation of it is not an exception to that rule.
In other words, you're clutching at straws.
FWIW, I have read your earlier arguments and - despite wanting you to be right - I remain wholly unconvinced. This latest proclamation about common sense being their foundation has only served to confirm to me that I was right to dismiss them.
It's over. You're entitled to your opinion but you have lost the argument.
It happens to the best of us.
(Not saying you are but) don't wind yourself up. Let it go and move on. Please.
I suspect you'll be happier for doing so.
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This isn't a win or lose situation. It's a realisation of the actual situation we're in & the effect it's having on City & our fans.

I ask the question "If what we're being accused of is so serious in UK Law, where are the authorities"?

Right on cue, the following just landed in my news feed...

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And then to add to the media hyperbole, they ran the following poll...

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This is why we're being looked at as common criminals, which is why I refer you to my question. An anti-City industry has sprung up, & instead of even crediting this bollocks with considered statements, we the fans need to boil it down to the basics, keep it simple & force the media to answer these questions.

On top of this the "experts" have also discussed:

Titles being stripped

Clubs suing City

The Football League not being duty bound to admit us if relegated, so we could effectively end as a Football Club.

This whole FFP & APT nonsense is beyond the ridiculous. Is it any wonder that those who can't digest the minutiae of these allegations are shitting themselves because the media would have all believe that the very existence of our club is at risk?

I don't believe we need to be discussing these hyped up points which only emboldens our detractors. Let's strip it down to its basics to show the utter folly of the PL's witch hunt against us.
 
dickie davies said:
theweek.com

How the Post Office got its prosecution powers

Scandal shines light on institution's historic ability to prosecute its own cases
theweek.com theweek.com
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The Post Office, which unlike Royal Mail is still wholly owned by the government, therefore now has "a perhaps unique position as a private prosecutor", the legal magazine continued. It is "granted no investigative powers" itself, but has "regularly undertaken joint investigations" with other bodies and the police that do have the necessary statutory powers to investigate relevant crimes.
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Like I said, they bring about private prosecutions, no different to the ones private individuals & companies can bring. However, it's the police who do the arresting, the courts who do the judging & sentencing, & the prison service who handle the incarcerations.

People aren't arrested & thrown into the back of Postman Pat's van by the Post Office. Not that any of this has anything to do with why the authorities (to my knowledge) aren't investigating City.
 
Dribble said:
This isn't a win or lose situation. It's a realisation of the actual situation we're in & the effect it's having on City & our fans.

I ask the question "If what we're being accused of is so serious in UK Law, where are the authorities"?

Right on cue, the following just landed in my news feed...

View attachment 146962View attachment 146963View attachment 146964

And then to add to the media hyperbole, they ran the following poll...

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This is why we're being looked at as common criminals, which is why I refer you to my question. An anti-City industry has sprung up, & instead of even crediting this bollocks with considered statements, we the fans need to boil it down to the basics, keep it simple & force the media to answer these questions.

On top of this the "experts" have also discussed:

Titles being stripped

Clubs suing City

The Football League not being duty bound to admit us if relegated, so we could effectively end as a Football Club.

This whole FFP & APT nonsense is beyond the ridiculous. Is it any wonder that those who can't digest the minutiae of these allegations are shitting themselves because the media would have all believe that the very existence of our club is at risk?

I don't believe we need to be discussing these hyped up points which only emboldens our detractors. Let's strip it down to its basics to show the utter folly of the PL's witch hunt against us.
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why on earth are you continually asking and posting stuff about 115 in this thread?
 
Look on the bright side, if it is true that we expect a result of the charges in March or April then it will soon be over and the speculation will end.

For what its worth I am much more confident about the outcome than I was against UEFA,so many positive signs.
The stadium expansion
The spend on new players
Pep extending
Haaland contract
The lack of credible leaks
The ongoing failure of the PL to produce rules that withstand scrutiny
The PL track record of ignoring their own legal advice
 
slbsn said:
Because if they insist on the retrospective without a matching mitigation, we could have, for example, to charge Everton an extra £20m pa FMV interest (could be more) for the last 2 years and say another £5m before October such that they fail 22/23 by enough extra for, say, 3 more points, 23/24 for maybe another 3 points and make it near impossible for them to pass 24/25 and 25/26 all due to rules that didn't even exist before October so beyond their control.
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Yes, I understand the consequences.

I just don't see why City would be interested in that.

But I can see why the PL would want to apply all the new rules retrospectively to 2021 whilst having the transition rules for shareholder loans, and why City would want to stop that because it opens up Etihad to assessment again under the new rules?

All speculation, of course, but Occam's razor and all that.
 
Dribble said:
This isn't a win or lose situation. It's a realisation of the actual situation we're in & the effect it's having on City & our fans.

I ask the question "If what we're being accused of is so serious in UK Law, where are the authorities"?

Right on cue, the following just landed in my news feed...

View attachment 146962View attachment 146963View attachment 146964

And then to add to the media hyperbole, they ran the following poll...

View attachment 146967

This is why we're being looked at as common criminals, which is why I refer you to my question. An anti-City industry has sprung up, & instead of even crediting this bollocks with considered statements, we the fans need to boil it down to the basics, keep it simple & force the media to answer these questions.

On top of this the "experts" have also discussed:

Titles being stripped

Clubs suing City

The Football League not being duty bound to admit us if relegated, so we could effectively end as a Football Club.

This whole FFP & APT nonsense is beyond the ridiculous. Is it any wonder that those who can't digest the minutiae of these allegations are shitting themselves because the media would have all believe that the very existence of our club is at risk?

I don't believe we need to be discussing these hyped up points which only emboldens our detractors. Let's strip it down to its basics to show the utter folly of the PL's witch hunt against us.
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I have belly button lint that can make the kind of bs prognostications this idjit makes on a regular basis.

If, if, if…maybe, maybe, maybe…could, could, could…it’s a fucking joke to get paid to create a headline and increase clicks.
 
abu13 said:
Look on the bright side, if it is true that we expect a result of the charges in March or April then it will soon be over and the speculation will end.

For what its worth I am much more confident about the outcome than I was against UEFA,so many positive signs.
The stadium expansion
The spend on new players
Pep extending
Haaland contract
The lack of credible leaks
The ongoing failure of the PL to produce rules that withstand scrutiny
The PL track record of ignoring their own legal advice
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They played like a happy team yesterday.
 
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