Still not sure where you're coming from with the red over blue stuff. It looks great.The thing is this badge is a thing of absolute beauty but the red over blue makes me feel sick.
I really hope that this is the actual badge not that horrid red over blue monstrosity
Even feel free to add 18 94 or the 2 Gorton crosses either side.
Red on top of blue just doesn't work!!
Here's an example of what I mean, I think all 4 of these are an improvement on the final design. All look clean, modern, without the awkwardness of the rose on top of the rivers.
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To me, all 4 of them look better than the one we have actually got:
E.