congestion charge NO campaign

[Matty]

HENCE- the congestion charge will benefit you becasue your publice transport will be improved. It's dinasours like yourself that are not allowing this country to move forward.

If you believe that then you really are a moron.

Even if (and it's a big IF) public transport is improved, it won't be improved for all. There will still be some people who struggle to use it to get to their destination, to compound their misery by charging them a congestion fee for a service that they can't use is just rubbing salt in.

 

[ElanJo]

I get to vote and I will vote YES.

For someone who so vehemently attacks the lefties, you sure like your travel being subsidised.

 

[brooklandsblue]

HENCE- the congestion charge will benefit you becasue your publice transport will be improved. It's dinasours like yourself that are not allowing this country to move forward.

If you believe that then you really are a moron.

Even if (and it's a big IF) public transport is improved, it won't be improved for all. There will still be some people who struggle to use it to get to their destination, to compound their misery by charging them a congestion fee for a service that they can't use is just rubbing salt in.

OK well lets keep adding more and more cars and not building sufficiant motorways, say bollocks to our grandchildrens health and await total gridlock. cretin.

 

[brooklandsblue]

HENCE- the congestion charge will benefit you becasue your publice transport will be improved. It's dinasours like yourself that are not allowing this country to move forward.

If you believe that then you really are a moron.

Even if (and it's a big IF) public transport is improved, it won't be improved for all. There will still be some people who struggle to use it to get to their destination, to compound their misery by charging them a congestion fee for a service that they can't use is just rubbing salt in.

OK well lets keep adding more and more cars and not building sufficiant motorways, say bollocks to our grandchildrens health and await total gridlock. cretin.

 

[Matty]

HENCE- the congestion charge will benefit you becasue your publice transport will be improved. It's dinasours like yourself that are not allowing this country to move forward.

If you believe that then you really are a moron.

Even if (and it's a big IF) public transport is improved, it won't be improved for all. There will still be some people who struggle to use it to get to their destination, to compound their misery by charging them a congestion fee for a service that they can't use is just rubbing salt in.

OK well lets keep adding more and more cars and not building sufficiant motorways, say bollocks to our grandchildrens health and await total gridlock. cretin.

Hey, if the government want to spend money on improving public transport then I'm all for that, perhaps they could use the extra money that will come from road tax on all those extra cars, and the tax from the extra petrol sales too? As a car driver who never uses public transport why exactly should I be paying up to £1000 a year towards it's upkeep and improvement when someone who uses it on a daily basis isn't paying a penny extra?

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I live in Hampshire and work in London. the congestion charge here has screwed everyone. The shopkeepers dont get customers and commuters have large bills to pay. Worst of all, the traffic is no better. Public transport does not cover everyones needs and therefore the charge is just another tax

 

[philphenol]

I live in Hampshire and work in London. the congestion charge here has screwed everyone. The shopkeepers dont get customers and commuters have large bills to pay. Worst of all, the traffic is no better. Public transport does not cover everyones needs and therefore the charge is just another tax

That's an opinion not fact just like all the other anti-congestion arguments.

 

[Matty]

I live in Hampshire and work in London. the congestion charge here has screwed everyone. The shopkeepers dont get customers and commuters have large bills to pay. Worst of all, the traffic is no better. Public transport does not cover everyones needs and therefore the charge is just another tax

That's an opinion not fact just like all the other anti-congestion arguments.

As a car driver who never uses public transport why exactly should I be paying up to £1000 a year towards it's upkeep and improvement when someone who uses it on a daily basis isn't paying a penny extra?

It's a FACT that I will have to pay hundreds if nor a thousand pounds a year towards a system I'll never use whereas someone who uses it daily will have to pay NOTHING extra towards it. I'd say that's an anti-congestion argument based on FACTS. Explain the fairness in that?

 

[philphenol]

I live in Hampshire and work in London. the congestion charge here has screwed everyone. The shopkeepers dont get customers and commuters have large bills to pay. Worst of all, the traffic is no better. Public transport does not cover everyones needs and therefore the charge is just another tax

That's an opinion not fact just like all the other anti-congestion arguments.

As a car driver who never uses public transport why exactly should I be paying up to £1000 a year towards it's upkeep and improvement when someone who uses it on a daily basis isn't paying a penny extra?

It's a FACT that I will have to pay hundreds if nor a thousand pounds a year towards a system I'll never use whereas someone who uses it daily will have to pay NOTHING extra towards it. I'd say that's an anti-congestion argument based on FACTS. Explain the fairness in that?

You won't pay extra if you leave your car at home, FACT! The idea is to get people to use public transport or have you missed the point!

 

[MCFCTrick]

HENCE- the congestion charge will benefit you becasue your publice transport will be improved. It's dinasours like yourself that are not allowing this country to move forward.[/quote]

But how will that help? It would still mean for many, that the stations/bus stops plus the length of time it takes doesn't make it viable. And would you want YOUR wife/sister/daughter (or sons come to it) traipsing throught the streets at 5am, or 5pm come to that, with the scum they are likely to encounter? No, I am sure you wouldn't.
And, what of the councillors pushing for this? Well, not suprisingly they will be exempt from the charge! Do as I say, not as I do.....Balls to that. I already pay to use the roads. Its called Road Tax.
I am far from being the 'dinosaur' you call me, and accept that changes are needed to ease traffic problems, (Get rid of the bus lanes that cause far more than they solve, and silly one way systems, [Ironically many were put in place when the trams were put in!] for a start) but congestion charge is just another money making scheme like speed cameras. How is it fair to charge someone on say, a nurses wages, the same as a surgeon working in the same hospital, just to get to work? The surgeon, like you 'executives', can afford it with ease, (and will probably reclaim it through expenses anyway), but its the nurses of the city, and equivalent who will suffer most.
Take off your blinkers and realise, that it is nothing more than an unfair added taxation, on those that can least afford it, dressed up to look 'green' and 'environmental'.

 

[Matty]

As a car driver who never uses public transport why exactly should I be paying up to £1000 a year towards it's upkeep and improvement when someone who uses it on a daily basis isn't paying a penny extra?

It's a FACT that I will have to pay hundreds if nor a thousand pounds a year towards a system I'll never use whereas someone who uses it daily will have to pay NOTHING extra towards it. I'd say that's an anti-congestion argument based on FACTS. Explain the fairness in that?

You won't pay extra if you leave your car at home, FACT! The idea is to get people to use public transport or have you missed the point!

No, YOU'VE missed the point.

1 - Why SHOULD I have to use public transport? It's MY CHOICE to use a car. If I chose NOT to use public transport then why should I have to PAY towards it?

2 - The proposed improvements in public transport will bring NO trams near where I live. They will add NO extra buses, or bus routes. They will add NO extra trains or larger trains. The only 'improvement' being mentioned for where I live is to revamp the train station. So fucking what?!!! Ther service will eb just as shit, I'll just be able to stand waiting in slightly better conditions.

So, I ask again, bearing in mind public transport is not currently any good for me, and won't be any good after the charge comes in either, why should I have to pay towards it?

And answer me this too, if I was to use public transport on a daily basis why SHOULDN'T I have to contribute extra towards it's improvement? I'm the one benefitting, yet I'm not putting my hand in my pocket to do so.

 

[philphenol]

As a car driver who never uses public transport why exactly should I be paying up to £1000 a year towards it's upkeep and improvement when someone who uses it on a daily basis isn't paying a penny extra?

It's a FACT that I will have to pay hundreds if nor a thousand pounds a year towards a system I'll never use whereas someone who uses it daily will have to pay NOTHING extra towards it. I'd say that's an anti-congestion argument based on FACTS. Explain the fairness in that?

You won't pay extra if you leave your car at home, FACT! The idea is to get people to use public transport or have you missed the point!

No, YOU'VE missed the point.

1 - Why SHOULD I have to use public transport? It's MY CHOICE to use a car. If I chose NOT to use public transport then why should I have to PAY towards it?

2 - The proposed improvements in public transport will bring NO trams near where I live. They will add NO extra buses, or bus routes. They will add NO extra trains or larger trains. The only 'improvement' being mentioned for where I live is to revamp the train station. So fucking what?!!! Ther service will eb just as shit, I'll just be able to stand waiting in slightly better conditions.

So, I ask again, bearing in mind public transport is not currently any good for me, and won't be any good after the charge comes in either, why should I have to pay towards it?

And answer me this too, if I was to use public transport on a daily basis why SHOULDN'T I have to contribute extra towards it's improvement? I'm the one benefitting, yet I'm not putting my hand in my pocket to do so.

Have you been in a cave for the last ten years? Don't you know why you should curtail your use of a car?

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

 

[Matty]

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

No spurious argument, FACT. There was a pack sent through the door that allowed us to fill in a form to ask questions regarding the congestion charge. It detailed what the proposed areas or improvement were going to be, new tram routes, improvements to bus and rail links etc. The ONLY thing remotely near where I live was "Improvements to the local station". So, not hearsey at all, actual FACT as provided by the council.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

So you're saying that those who use public transport shouldn't have to pay for it's improvement?

 

[philphenol]

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

No spurious argument, FACT. There was a pack sent through the door that allowed us to fill in a form to ask questions regarding the congestion charge. It detailed what the proposed areas or improvement were going to be, new tram routes, improvements to bus and rail links etc. The ONLY thing remotely near where I live was "Improvements to the local station". So, not hearsey at all, actual FACT as provided by the council.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

So you're saying that those who use public transport shouldn't have to pay for it's improvement?

It was ironic!

 

[brooklandsblue]

Have you been in a cave for the last ten years? Don't you know why you should curtail your use of a car?

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

Philphenol how dare you disagree with Matty and the other sheeple....car is king!!

 

[stony]

Have you been in a cave for the last ten years?

Matty Bin Laden

 

[Matty]

Have you been in a cave for the last ten years? Don't you know why you should curtail your use of a car?

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

Philphenol how dare you disagree with Matty and the other sheeple....car is king!!

And you're a cock, but we've already discovered that.

 

[Challenger1978]

Have you been in a cave for the last ten years? Don't you know why you should curtail your use of a car?

You and people like you keep coming up with these spurious arguments based on hearsay and opinions that we aren't going to see improvements in public transport. It's total nonsense.

By the way increasing fares would be a great idea to encourage people to use public transport!

Philphenol how dare you disagree with Matty and the other sheeple....car is king!!

And you're a cock, but we've already discovered that.

This is the first time Ive read this thread Matty and by page 7 i came to the same conclusion as you he is a cock of the highest order .

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

I was gonna vote against this, but after reading Matty's comments I'm all for it

 

[Alanm1980]

I will be voting no and I already use public transport for work as its only a tenner a week and cheaper than paying for parking but if the charge comes in and they are saying only peak times, whats stopping them from throwing that out of the window and charging all times?