quiet_riot
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Don't think they big screens can handle 4 digit numbers!
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Don't think they big screens can handle 4 digit numbers!
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:Prestwich_Blue said:I don't need a data analyst to tell me an inswinger is more dangerous; it's blatantly obvious. At a corner, attacking players are facing the goal and defenders have their backs to it. If the ball swings in, the attackers are on the front foot, attacking the ball, and the defenders are either static or back-peddling, plus they're trying to watch the ball and the attacking players. So the odds must favour the attacking players, particularly if the corner taker can put the ball where it's expected.steviemc said:Thia was taken from an article about data analysis in football in 2013...
Manchester City’s data department analysed about 400 corners in several national leagues over seasons, and concluded that the most dangerous corner is the inswinger: the ball that swings in towards goal.
The data team took this finding to City’s manager Roberto Mancini, who had played football for many years, and his gut told him that the most dangerous corner was the outswinger. But City’s outswingers kept on not producing goals. Mancini’s assistant David Platt came to chat to the data analysts, and they noticed that City had begun taking inswinging corners. Last season City scored 15 goals from corners, the most in the English Premier League. Vincent Kompany’s headed goal against Manchester United, which effectively clinched the championship for City, came from an inswinging corner.
If it swings out, the defenders are on the front foot and the attackers are static. But even that assumes you put the ball in the right place. I sit in 109 so am level with the 6-yard box and far too often you see an outswinging corner go beyond most of our players, so they're not going to get it anyway. There was a good example of this against Boro, where the ball arrived between the penalty spot and the edge of the 18-yard box and there were 5 of our players between the penalty spot and 6-yard box. That's utter rubbish.
And then yesterday was at least the second time we've been at the arse-end if a game, with seconds to go and we've pissed around with a short corner. I didn't have a problem with Navas giving it to Milner but he should have crossed right away, rather than give it back. Milner's supposed to be a bright guy but that was utterly fucking brainless.
I honestly thought that Milner was running over to take the corner but Navas took it to him. Just an an end of match cock up. Mistaken reading of run. Wrong wave-length Milner gives it him back. I groaned, pretty loudly, but I reckon it was just a misread run.
the one before a minute or so earlier was worse!?!
Navas scuffed it about shin height to the first Chelsea defender!
blueparrot
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Seeing Toure's free kick for Bony last night , we should let him take a few corners.
Although many of the deliveries have been poor, I'm not sure that much is going to change by simply changing the corner taker. We're consistently trying to run a routine to deliver a near post flick on. It worked well for us last season, but we've been woefully unable to connect on the initial flick this season, which results in the corner hitting "the first man" and being cleared. At this point, I'd like to see us just give up on the flicked header and do something more traditional to use the size we do have in the squad to try to score. I think we have plenty of players capable of hitting an appropriate area in the box ... we just haven't been trying too often in favor of a more intricate routine.
blueparrot said:Seeing Toure's free kick for Bony last night , we should let him take a few corners.
Have to agree with this. If there's one guy who has shown he can place the ball on a dime, it's Yaya. We will miss his ability to shoot off a header or clearance out, but right now that's a pipedream when our corners either end up back at Joe Hart, with the opposition goalkeeper or a counterattack.
It was 127 before the arsenal game. We had a fair amount of corners in the arsenal game and chelsea too. Plus we have had the boro match so yes probably around 150. Fucking awful.Eds said:Does anyone know how many corners we have taken since the last goal we scored from one, it must be around 150 now
Chippy_boy
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davymcfc said:It was 127 before the arsenal game. We had a fair amount of corners in the arsenal game and chelsea too. Plus we have had the boro match so yes probably around 150. Fucking awful.Eds said:Does anyone know how many corners we have taken since the last goal we scored from one, it must be around 150 now
It stands at 162.
When you think that your average side get 3 or 4 per game, that's like a season or two without scoring from a corner for most sides.
"Pathetic" would be a compliment.
TheRisingoftheNorth
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alib said:the-ecstacy-of-eight said:Prestwich_Blue said:I don't need a data analyst to tell me an inswinger is more dangerous; it's blatantly obvious. At a corner, attacking players are facing the goal and defenders have their backs to it. If the ball swings in, the attackers are on the front foot, attacking the ball, and the defenders are either static or back-peddling, plus they're trying to watch the ball and the attacking players. So the odds must favour the attacking players, particularly if the corner taker can put the ball where it's expected.
If it swings out, the defenders are on the front foot and the attackers are static. But even that assumes you put the ball in the right place. I sit in 109 so am level with the 6-yard box and far too often you see an outswinging corner go beyond most of our players, so they're not going to get it anyway. There was a good example of this against Boro, where the ball arrived between the penalty spot and the edge of the 18-yard box and there were 5 of our players between the penalty spot and 6-yard box. That's utter rubbish.
And then yesterday was at least the second time we've been at the arse-end if a game, with seconds to go and we've pissed around with a short corner. I didn't have a problem with Navas giving it to Milner but he should have crossed right away, rather than give it back. Milner's supposed to be a bright guy but that was utterly fucking brainless.
I honestly thought that Milner was running over to take the corner but Navas took it to him. Just an an end of match cock up. Mistaken reading of run. Wrong wave-length Milner gives it him back. I groaned, pretty loudly, but I reckon it was just a misread run.
the one before a minute or so earlier was worse!?!
Navas scuffed it about shin height to the first Chelsea defender!
It's understandable though that the boys messed up under pressure with just seconds to go in fromt of a hostile crowd
Chippy_boy
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Here's an idea - when taking our corner why don't we just kick the ball out of play on the side line about 1 foot from the corner flag and give the opposition a throw from there? It would almost certainly be more dangerous for them to defend.