Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

By the way todays 11 England deaths were 4 aged 80 plus, 4 aged 60 - 79, 2 aged 40 - 59 and 1 aged 20 - 39

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Not for everyone. My eldest son booked his AZ yesterday for June 6th. His 2nd jab date is 12 weeks later. Stockport.

Wonder if that situation will be reviewed.

I also wonder if anyone can translate the science jargon in the review to stipulate if that big drop in VE is against only symptoms or hospitalisations and serious cases too? Obviously one would be far worse than the other.

It's still a great vaccine, just that two doses is absolutely necessary and even more so than for Pfizer it seems.

 

[Healdplace]

In the most recent 7 day data (to 23 May) in Bolton the number of cases Under 60 v Over 60 from testing was

1201 v 47

Seven days before it was 940 v 47

Wk before 520 v 24

Wk before 215 v 24

That pathway as the new variant took root in the past month looks hopeful. Clearly the older share is falling not rising as cases do.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Not for everyone. My eldest son booked his AZ yesterday for June 6th. His 2nd jab date is 12 weeks later. Stockport.

That may possibly be because he's booked online and not through the offer of local appointments via his surgery. You don't get to book a second jab with their process.
Either way he'll probably be called sooner, once the system is updated.

 

[artfuldodger]

That may possibly be because he's booked online and not through the offer of local appointments via his surgery. You don't get to book a second jab with their process.
Either way he'll probably be called sooner, once the system is updated.

Yes that’s right. He booked on the NHS website.

 

[Healdplace]

Latest Vaccine Update by Population Percentage for 10 GM boroughs

Borough/ First Dose / Both Doses



BOLTON 70.3% / 42.5%

BURY 69.1% / 45.7%

MANCHESTER 49.1% / 26.7%

OLDHAM 64.4% / 41.54%

ROCHDALE 67.7% / 39.8%

SALFORD 56% / 38%

STOCKPORT 71.3% / 50%

TAMESIDE 69.6% / 44.7%

TRAFFORD 70.4% / 45.7%

WIGAN 72.1% / 47.6%


Interesting shift since I last posted these. Stockport overall still the best uptake and the only one with 50% having had both doses. Just.

But it has noticeably slowed as it was miles clear a week or two ago. Possiby vaccinations diverted to more needy parts of GM?

Wigan now has actually had more firat doses than Stockport and Bolton, which was way behind, has almost caught up after the mass vaccinations there.

Manchester though is still a long way behiond the rest and not really catching up by the looks of it.

They risk becoming a big issue if this variant is spreading as the city looks a good place for a virus looking for vulnerable people in that list.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Right on cue. Or is it queue? I'm never sure...

NHS guidance to vaccination centres says they can be “pragmatic” in offering the second jab ahead of the official timescale, which is currently a 12-week gap for the under-50s and eight weeks for the over-50s.

Sources said the planned 21 June final stage of the roadmap was on a “knife edge” and if vaccination centres have supplies they could accelerate second doses in their local community. Some people in their late 40s and early 50s have already been invited for their second dose after just six weeks, i understands – an interval which would still be within the acceptable range for an immune response, even though the eight to 12-week period is optimal for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

[unicorn]

I'll be honest I'm starting to forget what we're supposed to "get" on the 21 June.

Life feels pretty much back to normal, bar trips to see City and gigs. Mrs Unicorn isn't bothered about those anyway, and feels happier with the extra space and cleaning in pubs now.

I presume even after the 21 June relaxations we could still see restrictions on entry to stadiums and gig venues ?

 

[BlueHammer85]

I'll be honest I'm starting to forget what we're supposed to "get" on the 21 June.

Life feels pretty much back to normal, bar trips to see City and gigs. Mrs Unicorn isn't bothered about those anyway, and feels happier with the extra space and cleaning in pubs now.

I presume even after the 21 June relaxations we could still see restrictions on entry to stadiums and gig venues ?

Thats how I feel aswell.
Yes, missing out on gigs and football (seasons finished anyway)
and not planning a holiday abroad this year.

so from 21st , I’m not sure anything noticeably is going to change that much for me.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I'll be honest I'm starting to forget what we're supposed to "get" on the 21 June.

Life feels pretty much back to normal, bar trips to see City and gigs. Mrs Unicorn isn't bothered about those anyway, and feels happier with the extra space and cleaning in pubs now.

I presume even after the 21 June relaxations we could still see restrictions on entry to stadiums and gig venues ?

It seems madness to risk it, for the sake of a couple of months (hopefully) considering what we already have.

No, I'm not just rolling over to a 'new normal' and no, I'm not forgetting the industries that this would still have major detrimental impact on (Entertainment, events, travel etc) but things are *almost* normal the way they are now so it seems madness to risk undoing any of it. Others will disagree but I'd sooner stick it out with what we have right now for a couple more months, providing help is given to these sort of industries.

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.




Bolton 411 / 405 / UP 6 Testing positive 10.3%

Manchester 101/ 47 / UP 54 Testing positive 9.9%

Bury 93 / 50 / UP 43 Testing positive 9.2%

Salford 90 / 28 / UP 62 Testing positive 9.2%

Rochdale 80 / 39 / UP 41 Testing positive 9.8 %

Wigan 74 / 32 / UP 42 Testing positive 9.0%

Oldham 63 / 20 / UP 43 Testing positive 9.9%

Trafford 59 / 44 / UP 15 Testing positive 7.2 %

Stockport 54 / 12 / UP 42 Testing positive 7.3%

Tameside 39 / 15 UP 24 Testing positive 8.2


Bolton back up over 400 but easiuly the lowest week to week rise still. So doing well.

Every single borough (bar Bolton!) is rising now by a lot. Manchester tops 100 and the gap between Bolton and the rest falls again. But once more because of the problems of those below as I feared we might see.

As I noted yesterday the race is what happens first - Bolton falls fast to sub 100 numbers or the rest of GM go up over 100 and ahead of it.

We really need the increase of the rest to slow and the fall of Bolton to speed up so the gap narrows without anyone exponentally rising like Bolton did. And they merge at not too high a number.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It seems madness to risk it, for the sake of a couple of months (hopefully) considering what we already have.

No, I'm not just rolling over to a 'new normal' and no, I'm not forgetting the industries that this would still have major detrimental impact on (Entertainment, events, travel etc) but things are *almost* normal the way they are now so it seems madness to risk undoing any of it. Others will disagree but I'd sooner stick it out with what we have right now for a couple more months, providing help is given to these sort of industries.

Important to keep all this in context.
This is the only disease we have ever got, and continue to get, daily updates on. We conveniently forget that, in UK, 1000 people daily are diagnosed with cancer and over 1500 people die. This is not not now causing death or any significant problems to the NHS- so we just need to get used to it and accept that, happily, the vaccines are making it a very mild disease.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

This is not not now causing death or any significant problems to the NHS

At the moment - the point is it could and projections are telling us so. Why should we ignore them?

 

[artfuldodger]

I'll be honest I'm starting to forget what we're supposed to "get" on the 21 June.

Life feels pretty much back to normal, bar trips to see City and gigs. Mrs Unicorn isn't bothered about those anyway, and feels happier with the extra space and cleaning in pubs now.

I presume even after the 21 June relaxations we could still see restrictions on entry to stadiums and gig venues ?

Any restrictions would be down to the venue, rather than the government. Football, gigs, festivals, nightclubs, weddings/parties that involve dancing and getting up from your seat, meals at a table with more than 6 people, theatres and cinemas at full capacity. Like you, I’m not bothered about any of those apart from gigs and football, but others are. Especially my
late teens/early 20s kids!!

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

At the moment - the point is it could and projections are telling us so. Why should we ignore them?

If we keep using ‘projections’ and ‘it could‘ this never, ever ends.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

It seems madness to risk it, for the sake of a couple of months (hopefully) considering what we already have.

No, I'm not just rolling over to a 'new normal' and no, I'm not forgetting the industries that this would still have major detrimental impact on (Entertainment, events, travel etc) but things are *almost* normal the way they are now so it seems madness to risk undoing any of it. Others will disagree but I'd sooner stick it out with what we have right now for a couple more months, providing help is given to these sort of industries.

There’s a lot of logic to this mindset and part of me agrees.

My anxiety and anger levels are partly quite high at the moment as I work in the live music sector and my life is so far away from normal at the moment it’s unsettling.

I’ve said all along though that personally the date I’d accept everything back to normal for without losing my mind is the beginning of next season, and that’s what, mid august?

I’d be cool with staying as we are til then if we had to.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Oh and having to do table service in pubs is a stupid pain in the arse, I hope that doesn’t become a permanent thing.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

If we keep using ‘projections’ and ‘it could‘ this never, ever ends.

But if we stick our fingers in our ears then the hospitals won't fill up?

'It could' isn't based on a hunch. It's based on scientific evidence by people extremely qualified to make such projections.

It ends when a sufficient quantity of people are immune through vaccination (preferably) or prior infection.

 

[HolisticJim]

Oh and having to do table service in pubs is a stupid pain in the arse, I hope that doesn’t become a permanent thing.

I actually quiet like it. Reminds me of being on holiday.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I actually quiet like it. Reminds me of being on holiday.

It’s one thing when you’re relaxing with a glass of Sancerre in the south of France watching the world go by on a sunny afternoon, a whole other thing when all you want is a pint of Guinness and a bag of crisps at the local after work on a Thursday.