Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

1 death - was 4 last week

146 cases - was 172 last week

9.9% positivity - was 9.8% last week

1309 - seven day rolling cases total - down from 1311 yesterday but up from 1223 last week

14 Care Home outbreaks - same as yesterday - was 18 last week.

180 patients - down 3 from yesterday - was 226 last week.

18 ventilated - same as yesterday - was 25 last week.


Another good day here.

 

[worsleyweb]

Nearly twice as many people have died here than in Germany and their economy has taken a much smaller hit.

Getting out sooner will help, but the overall impact here on both health and economy will be far higher, and there's no way from where we are now that we're going to end up net ahead.

Italy, maybe.

spoken like a true lefty. Let’s see.

 

[Healdplace]

Nearly twice as many people have died here than in Germany and their economy has taken a much smaller hit.

Getting out sooner will help, but the overall impact here on both health and economy will be far higher, and there's no way from where we are now that we're going to end up net ahead.

Italy, maybe.

Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!

 

[Healdplace]

118 England hospital deaths by region:

26 Midlands, 21 London. 19 North West, 17 South East, 14 NE & Yorkshire, 14 East, 7 South West

Nowhere above 7 deaths (Middlesex) - most in NW 4 each in Bolton and Blackpool

By age:

20 - 39 (1) 0.9%

40 - 59 (19) 16.1%

60 - 79 (49) 41.5%

80 PLUS (49) 41.5%


That is a low 80 plus percentage and another high (17%) of under 60s.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths wk to wk:

571 / 64 NW / 11%

436 / 56 NW / 13% (24% wk to week fall)

307 / 59 NW / 18% (30% wk to wk fall)

257 / 40 NW / 16% (16% wk to wk fall)

185 / 18 NW / 10% (28% wk to wk fall)

118 / 19 NW / 16% (36% wk to wk fall) TODAY

 

[roubaixtuesday]

spoken like a true lefty. Let’s see.

WTF has that got to do with lefties?

Germany has had ~half the deaths and a far lower economic hit than us. They have vaccinated their most vulnerable already, so are extremely unlikely to suddently double their death toll.

These are just facts, they don't have a political orientation.

 

[True_Blue69]

Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!

100% that will be the case. Remember last summer when we had some kind or normality back for a short time? It was impossible to get a holiday in the UK and everywhere was packed with people. Providing the road map is achieved this year will be like that on steroids. Going to be a great summer, festivals all sold out in record time and everyone is raring to go.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!

I think it's very hard to predict exactly what will happen to anyone's economy next. Personally I suspect there will be huge changes (working from home, city centres, perhaps making supply chains more national rather than global, healthcare investment etc etc). And of course for the UK there will be a huge impact of Brexit (without commenting whether for good or ill, just that it will be big).

It is clear, however, from what's already passed, there's no way on earth we'll come out of it net ahead of Germany. It's quite impossible.

 

[True_Blue69]

Eastern Europe is the worst - Czechia and Hungary et al.
Western Europe not so bad although Italy is creeping up again.
Probably poor lockdown control is the main reason at the minute but the poor vaccine roll out means it will take longer to bring the numbers down.

Remember when many were criticising fellow brits for not adhering to lockdown rules whilst our European friends apparently all acted immaculate? I don’t see anyone now praising the general population for how well the vast majority have followed the rules, whereas in Europe there are protests, increased case numbers and a general lack of compliance leading to a surge in cases.

 

[Len Rum]

Germany and Italy far worse impact on economy - I have read many reports today about how our economy will bounce back far quicker due to the vaccine rollout succes so they are heavility interlinked. We have told the truth on deaths from day one. You are and have been absolutely desperate from day one for us to be the worst as you will go to any length possible to hate the governments efforts as you well know.

Hello mate.
Unlike you I'm capable of holding two opposing ideas on a situation.
So to spell it out simply for you:
Vaccine procurement and roll out - excellent - the figures are there for all to see.
Measures to control pandemic March to December 2020 appalling and incompetent as evidenced by one of the worse hits to economy TO DATE ( i.e. not as you speculate in the future this is unknown) and deaths per capita in the world TO DATE ( i.e. not in the future)
Maybe these comparisons will change - we'll see.
But that is the situation to date.
Your problem is that you can't handle any criticism of the Tory Government.
And you come down very hard on anyone who suggests there could be legitimate issues or problems in reducing the spread of the virus.
@Marvin raised a issue concerning variants the other day and yet all you could do was have a pop at him (twice).
Maybe you worry too much, I don't know, but try to be less critical for no good reason and take your Tory glasses off.
PS Your recent reply to @roubaixtuesday just confirms my point.