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BlueHammer85 said:
Sydney lockdown extended to end of September

Lockdown has been extended in Sydney after a further 642 cases were confirmed in New South Wales on Friday.

The lockdown in Australia's largest city was due to end on 28 August.
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Rather fear the genie is now out of the bottle in Australia and possibly New Zealand as well.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sydney lockdown extended to end of September

Lockdown has been extended in Sydney after a further 642 cases were confirmed in New South Wales on Friday.

The lockdown in Australia's largest city was due to end on 28 August.
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Australia have blown it by not vaccinating with their AZ stocks while they were virus free, believing the miniscule risk of COVID at the time would endure forever so they could wait for "safer" vaccines.

Complacency doesn't work against COVID.

Still, their death rate is 50x less than ours, so even if they fail to ever contain it again, there's no way it will ever get as high as ours given they have now vaccinated their most vulnerable.

(their total vaccine doses is about half of ours, and they're now dosing at the same rate we peaked at)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sydney lockdown extended to end of September

Lockdown has been extended in Sydney after a further 642 cases were confirmed in New South Wales on Friday.

The lockdown in Australia's largest city was due to end on 28 August.
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The world needs to get jabbed including Australia and New Zealand if they want their economies to get back on track. All this fannying about locking down for long periods of time is not working. For these 2 countries with relatively small populations the jab program should have been simple. Arden's popularity in NZ is very much on the wane, she's fucked up big time.
 
Manchester33 said:
It's definitely starting to rise exponentially again.

On a personal level I have three close family members who've all tested positive this week (3 different households).

Worst case scenario leading into Autumn.
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Its rising, sure but i wouldn't say exponentially although that is a subjective word. Cases seem to be rising about 2000-2500 very two weeks and the rate of deaths has increased by about 30 a day the past two weeks. Still clearly not good. Looks like we are going to have to just try and live with this awful virus and accept a certain amount of hospitalisations and deaths. Who would want to be a politician making these decisions.
 
Good news on treatments; first preventative treatment made of artificial antibodies gets MHRA approval..The health Secretary; it's fantastic news, and he hoped it will be rolled out to NHS patients, "as soon as possible"
 
Tonster said:
Just on the plane issue. Need to be clear, you don’t always need to be vaccinated or tested before boarding a flight. Went to Gibraltar in June, no pre test needed or vaccine status. Rule was test within 24 hours of landing.
Spain now needs no test pre flight if you’re double vaccinated.
Every outbound flight from UK different rules depending on destination. Inbound to UK everyone needs a test.
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Yeah I think it does depend on where you go so the risk will change based upon that. Statistically though you're far more likely to get the virus if you 'misbehave' in the days before travel or if you get it in the taxi to the airport.

We are booked to St Lucia next month and everyone requires a negative PCR test to travel which you have to take 5 days or less before flying so a bit stricter. Once you're there you get a wristband to indicate if you're fully vaccinated and that either lets you travel around the island freely or not. There's no testing or quarantine once you're there.

If anyone is thinking of getting away then I'd 100% recommend booking with TUI. They've been really good in answering questions about the tests which you don't have to post, you can just take them to a TUI shop. The testing packages they offer are really cheap too (amber package for PCR test to fly, LFT for return and day 2 test once back is £60).
 
Gabriel said:
More details on those appearing in Israeli hospitals.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...through-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/
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There's a great account here of how headline statistics can be highly misleading on vaccine efficacy.

Short version:
Whilst the headline vaccine efficacy for Israeli data against severe disease is only 67%(!) the actual efficacy for any individual is far higher, generally >>80% and ~90% or higher for most ages.

"Simpson's Paradox" is the technical term.

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Looks terrible, right?

Breakdown by age:

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Looks brilliant. This is the same data !

www.covid-datascience.com

Israeli data: How can efficacy vs. severe disease be strong when 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated?

A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This has fueled anti-vaccine sentiment suggesting the vaccines are not...
www.covid-datascience.com www.covid-datascience.com
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Its rising, sure but i wouldn't say exponentially although that is a subjective word. Cases seem to be rising about 2000-2500 very two weeks and the rate of deaths has increased by about 30 a day the past two weeks. Still clearly not good. Looks like we are going to have to just try and live with this awful virus and accept a certain amount of hospitalisations and deaths. Who would want to be a politician making these decisions.
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we were never going to stop people dying, this was about stopping them all dying in January - May this year and overwhelming the NHS. Some will still pass away from it in the coming months but it will be a lower figure than otherwise and we have more treatments/boosters to hopefully take the edge off as well.
 
hammocity said:
The world needs to get jabbed including Australia and New Zealand if they want their economies to get back on track. All this fannying about locking down for long periods of time is not working. For these 2 countries with relatively small populations the jab program should have been simple. Arden's popularity in NZ is very much on the wane, she's fucked up big time.
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seeing clips from Oz of them forcibly separating kids who've tested positive from parents so they've jumped the shark. Supposed Western liberal democracies behaving like Trump.
 
I was just on a work call with a guy in Australia.

Feel really sorry for the bloke. Fucking mental over there what the government are doing with lockdowns, and have failed to do with vaccinations.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sydney lockdown extended to end of September

Lockdown has been extended in Sydney after a further 642 cases were confirmed in New South Wales on Friday.

The lockdown in Australia's largest city was due to end on 28 August.
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Not going to work with Delta. Far too infectious.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
There's a great account here of how headline statistics can be highly misleading on vaccine efficacy.

Short version:
Whilst the headline vaccine efficacy for Israeli data against severe disease is only 67%(!) the actual efficacy for any individual is far higher, generally >>80% and ~90% or higher for most ages.

"Simpson's Paradox" is the technical term.

View attachment 24199

Looks terrible, right?

Breakdown by age:

View attachment 24200

Looks brilliant. This is the same data !

www.covid-datascience.com

Israeli data: How can efficacy vs. severe disease be strong when 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated?

A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This has fueled anti-vaccine sentiment suggesting the vaccines are not...
www.covid-datascience.com www.covid-datascience.com
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This is perfect for an argument I was having yesterday with an Anti-Vaxxer. Just shared it with him (literally what I was saying vs his argument about how vaccines don't work cause loads of people in hospital have had them).

His response - I don't believe those figures are true. They're made up by liberal media.

My conclusion is that there's no point fighting against stupidity.
 
Manchester33 said:
This is perfect for an argument I was having yesterday with an Anti-Vaxxer. Just shared it with him (literally what I was saying vs his argument about how vaccines don't work cause loads of people in hospital have had them).

His response - I don't believe those figures are true. They're made up by liberal media.

My conclusion is that there's no point fighting against stupidity.
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We should do what the French have done and basically lock the thick twats out of society.
 
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