Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BlueAnorak]

the fact remains it is much much less tranmissable outdoors. Thats the reason.

If it was the beach swarming and BLM protests would have created massive spikes last summer.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

the fact remains it is much much less tranmissable outdoors. Thats the reason.

Beach crowds and park numbers past pretty much confirm there's an extraordinarily low risk to the public outdoors.
My only concern would be the hygiene protocols adopted by bar and restaurant staff when handling empty glasses and cutlery. Other than that all should be good.

 

[paulchapo]

The truth is as I noted he just did not explain properly. He was telling the truth - cases likely will rise as we reopen - just waffling around it so much the message that came out was misleading and misguided.

The vaccination is not the main reason cases are low. But he ought to have made clear it IS why hospital data and deaths have flatlined and THAT matters much more right now.

It is the advisors I blame. The messaging through the pandemic has been a shambles at times.

The government, especially the prime minister, need to understand they have to be very careful how they answer questions and the statements they make. A lot of people are on the edge and have really had enough right now. Don't keep telling us the vaccinations are our way out and then when over half the country have had one dose at least imply they're not. Whether that's what he actually meant or not he has to stop being so careless in his choice of words. As for the media they are just scum on the whole

Thanks though for your input. I'm sure I speak for many when I say your posts and those of a few others on here have kept many of us sane....just

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Quite sobering to hear Gordon Brown talking about the need to vaccinate world wide.

It's so easy to look at our vaccination success and how the numbers have dropped due to the lockdown, add in the lifting of some restrictions and the light nights things look to be quite rosey in the garden.

Then you realise that this could all be in vain if other countries can't do the same and the virus continues to mutate and in the worst case to a variation that is resilient against the current vaccines.

To his credit he was actually calling for a global unified approach to the pandemic back last April and explaining how it was counterproductive to tackle the multiple issues in isolation- he’s one of the few politicians that actually seems genuinely to give a shit about the well being of other people.

Wouldn’t trust him with my gold though.

 

[1.618034]

Any reason?

Yes. I wouldn't have asked if there wasn't.

I think it's obvious tbh and I'm sure you can work it out. Let's just say, Chippy seems to have got to the nub of it, for once! -)

Thanks for using different terminology in subsequent posts. I, for one, appreciate it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Jab pause for AZ or J&J is nothing else than a political reaction in order to avoid any claims they'd have ignored a safety problem.

Agreed.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Does it?

If the alternative is available. Clotting is the reason for severe COVID cases. This drug can also cause clotting. I really can't see why they'd risk that complication. The risk of two factors that affect the same mechanism can be far greater than the sum of the two. If the alternative is available, I hope they do move on.

Admittedly sometimes this sort of thing is ignored - suicidality in the young who are prescribed SSRI's, still they are prescribed. But the NHS is not already at risk of being overwhelmed by suicidal teenagers.

The decision is not easy. But I'm arguing, if the supplies are there, I think we really ought to take whatever advantages we can. And we really need as much and as high quality clinical and statistical data on COVID as soon as possible - the virus will not disappear, we have little idea what happens to people who get reinfected, or what the effect may be on those who 'escaped' with a mild infection. And vaccines will not end the war any time soon. The onus is surely on the 'other' side to justify using a vaccine that may interfere and complicate things.

TBH, I believe that's what will happen, it will remain in use, albeit in a restricted fashion. But it really has to be argued and thought through to the ends of the earth. Arguments have to be as strong as possible on both sides. I'm clearly of a mind that adding complicating factors and risk factors along the same lines as the virus would require all other options to be exhausted.

 

[Marvin]

India reporting 186k cases for yesterday and I am not sure if that is the final total yet. This is the scariest aspect of the pandemic that we know about at the moment

 

[Summerbuzz]

If it was the beach swarming and BLM protests would have created massive spikes last summer.

We don't know that... honest to god. There's no way to quantify how the whole host of other epidemiological factors affected the situation at any one time.

Seems we're getting perilously close to just rehashing SAGE's infamous early assumptions.

 

[BlueAnorak]

We don't know that... honest to god. There's no way to quantify how the whole host of other epidemiological factors affected the situation at any one time.

Seems we're getting perilously close to just rehashing SAGE's infamous early assumptions.

But we do.
Plenty of evidence on the CDC web site and elsewhere. This particular article is a report on a paper from the Robert Koch Institute in Germany:

The risk of catching coronavirus outdoors – DW – 03/06/2021

As milder temperatures set in, the urge to flock outdoors is growing. Just how great is the danger of contracting the coronavirus in open-air settings? Does it make sense to wear masks? DW spoke to experts to find out.

www.dw.com