Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ayrshire_blue]

Most people around here ,in the Borders, in their 40s have got theirs, seem to be doingabout 40-42 this week.Just looked on travellingabby,say 59% of those in their 40s done.so lower 40 sounds about right.

Maybe just this health board then or a central belt issue. I'd have have thought family around 47,48 would have had a call by now. We seem to be operating at under half the level of first doses around the country than we were in late March and just under half the second doses as we were in mid/late April.

Not a criticism btw. I realise the rollout has generally been exceptional, just hoped to see a bit of an acceleration as we reopen I suppose.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

because we should have just closed the border till the vaccine programme was complete.

I kind of agree. And what happened to everyone coming into the country having to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks at their own expense? Was that fucked off? It'd soon stop people jibbing over.

 

[splinter]

So will we open up on Monday that is the question

 

[twosips]

So will we open up on Monday that is the question

Yeah, they've already said so

 

[M18CTID]

Yeah, they've already said so

The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage because for me the opening of indoor hospitality was always going to be a key moment as to what might happen with case numbers. I'm guessing it's more a case of keeping an eye on things in the coming weeks. If cases don't rise exponentially with so many restrictions now eased come Monday, and more importantly there isn't a significant increase in serious cases and deaths then it might still be full steam ahead on 21st June.

 

[feedthegoat27]

I kind of agree. And what happened to everyone coming into the country having to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks at their own expense? Was that fucked off? It'd soon stop people jibbing over.

It's still applicable for anyone returning from a 'red' country.
You can avoid this by spending 10 days in a non-red country before arrival into the UK (Government own rules)

Turkey - 10 days Portugal - England would mean no hotel isolation (and no isolation at all from 17th May)

 

[feedthegoat27]

Many cases from India have come into the UK via Turkey due to cheating Covidiots. Why is that the fault of the Government?

People following the rules set out by the Government.
So you can blame the people for following said rules, or you can blame the Government for allowing it.

I know where my finger of blame points.

(also India should've received red status way sooner than it did, along with Turkey, again the Government being way too reactive rather than proactive)

 

[unicorn]

The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage because for me the opening of indoor hospitality was always going to be a key moment as to what might happen with case numbers. I'm guessing it's more a case of keeping an eye on things in the coming weeks. If cases don't rise exponentially with so many restrictions now eased come Monday, and more importantly there isn't a significant increase in serious cases and deaths then it might still be full steam ahead on 21st June.

Agree. And opening up indoor hospitality last July when we had similarly low levels of infection had very little effect on case rates even though table service and masks didn't feature till 2 months later.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The way I see it is this. If they're opening up further on Monday as planned, they can't be that worried about it at this stage

I think I would disagree with this. Quite strongly!

The govt repeatedly ignored scientific advice through the second wave. It's entirely possible they're doing so again now, and acting on a hope and a prayer.

To take govt action as informative on risk is highly inadvisable, I reckon.

I don't think there is enough in the public domain on current local outbreaks to make any informed judgement on risk. I doubt there is much more privately available. I'd advocate continue with the opening up, but be ready to act very rapidly if the risks rise.

Further delaying 2nd doses to get 1st doses vaxxed quicker
Delaying 21st June opening
Reversing some/all of 17th May

are all options (in that order of preference for me)

We really don't want another big wave now, but we don't know much about how likely it is, or how significantly it will knock on to hospitalisations or deaths.

Hyndburn looks much better, and maybe shows this doesn't have to spread



But equally, there is growing evidence of the transmissibility of the "india variant"

the extremeley clear patterns we see in both the Indian GISAID data and in the UK Sanger Institute sequence data could be explained by anything else than a clear selective advantage of the Indian subvariant B.1.617.2 over other variants...