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A great article in the Telegraph this morning for those that can access it


Certain posters on here may feel a little bit vindicated

Professor clueless is busy editing his ancient fortran code for the omega variant.
 
And finally, an article stating Omicron produced an 80% lower risk of hospitalisation in RSA compared to Delta.

 
I assume you mean a pfizer/ Moderna dose on top of two AZ? Almost no-one has had three AZ.
Doesn’t say that but I know what you mean. I’ve had AZ x 2 and then Pfizer but maybe they have tested it for those countries that can’t roll out Pfizer or Moderna due to the storage conditions?
 
I'm not sure the Ferguson paper from yesterday has been understood.

The intrinsic severity of the infection from omicron is estimated down only 30% compared to delta (0.72 hazard ratio for overnight hospital admission).

This is obviously better than no reduction, but not transformative. Indeed, it's far less significant than the transmission advantage. It's also near identical to estimates from SA, so consistent.

Most of the observed reduction in severity is rather down to the fact that there are far more reinfections and infections of vaccinated people.

Interestingly, booster jabs seem to give no better protection against hospitalisation once infected than double jabbing - but they do give substantial protection against infection, so overall massively reduce your risk.

Overall, I think this is consistent with the emerging picture. Omicron is probably a little less severe intrinsically, but much more transmissible. It readily escapes immunity, however vaccination and/or prior infection offer good protection vs hospitalisation. This means the apparent severity is much lower, because most infected people are well protected vs severe disease.

There's still a lot of uncertainty on the numbers in the paper as there have been few hospitalisation to date. There's far more uncertainty still on the progress of the wave, which depends on behaviour. It's starting to look as though there's been a marked reduction in contacts, which helps enormously. Reported numbers will now also be all over the place through the holiday period.

As an aside, it's amusing to find the people who normally find Ferguson's work unspeakable lauding this paper!


I've not read the Scottish one. Anyone who has done care to comment?

[Edit: meant to add that it's quite a complex analysis, so I may well have got some of this wrong. Happy to be corrected if so]

I’m genuinely amazed he’s still fronting stuff like this.

Surely they could stick someone else front and centre.
 
Doesn’t say that but I know what you mean. I’ve had AZ x 2 and then Pfizer but maybe they have tested it for those countries that can’t roll out Pfizer or Moderna due to the storage conditions?

Probably just the telegraph mangling the data. I'd guess whatever their source is has researched 2xAZ + 1xPfizer
 
I’m genuinely amazed he’s still fronting stuff like this.

Surely they could stick someone else front and centre.

Just because the press have a target doesn't mean the target has done anything wrong.

He's a highly respected scientist, whatever the Telegraph print.
 
Good news from north of the wall. Looks like the booster gives great added protection against symptomatic omicron.




BBC radio just conveyed that news but then added on that hospital's could still be overwhelmed, due to it being more infectious and its mainly young people that have caught it so far and it's unknown what it will do to the elderly.

Scaremongering to fuck.
 
Professor clueless is busy editing his ancient fortran code for the omega variant.

And, right on cue, anonymous from bluemoon throws insults at internationally regarded scientist.

It'll get you likes from the likeminded, which I guess is your purpose.
 
I've seen the opposite. It's not a great look disposing of vaccines so it may well be that they are using that as an excuse. It is a fact that the Serum Institute is reducing production due to lack of demand and they are the leading manufacturer for countries other than the West.

In countries where life expectancy is relatively low and which have extremely limited resources to deliver vaccines outside of major conurbations then its unrealistic to think that they can do what wealthy Western countries can do.

Is that fair? No it isn't but how can that be changed anytime soon?
The fact we completely rubbished the AZ vaccine and wouldn't give it to most of our population probably doesn't help, the fact the other vaccines are 10x the cost too.
 
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