Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

Just checked, this is Scottish guidance so may be different.

The Coronavirus regulations require that work carried out in someone else’s home for the maintenance, upkeep or functioning of the home must only be carried out where it is essential or where that house is unoccupied. People must not go into other people’s houses for that type of work where it is not essential. This applies to anyone carrying out work, voluntary or charitable services. Businesses who employ people to carry out this work should consider if it is essential before asking their employees to enter someone else’s home.

Read further information and guidance on working in other people’s homes.

Examples of essential work may include:

• to carry out utility (including electricity, gas, water, telephone, broadband) safety checks, repairs, maintenance and installations (where those cannot be delayed)
• to carry out repairs and maintenance that would otherwise threaten the household’s health and safety
• to deliver, install or repair key household furniture and appliances such as washing machines, fridges and cookers
• to support a home move, for example furniture removal
• domestic cleaner providing services in support of a clean and safe living environment for people in vulnerable circumstance, living with a disability and as a result of that vulnerable circumstance or disability are unable to clean their own home
• to deliver goods or shopping, where essential in supporting a vulnerable person

Non-essential work may include cosmetic painting/ decorating, or kitchen/ bathroom/glazing/carpeting/electrical replacements where not required to maintain the health and safety of the household

The different guidance in different bits of the country is very confusing.

I googled what to do when we had to self isolate, then realised I'd read the Welsh guidance by accident, which was quite a bit different to England.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I wonder if someone high up has had a word with the previous Daily Mail front page...

UK's Covid R rate now falls below 1 in EVERY region

Department of Health bosses declared another 15,144 coronavirus infections - down almost 21 per cent in a week, meaning 4million Britons have tested positive since the pandemic began.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Daily Mail is absolute scum. Sets out deliberately to mislead across a whole range of issues, for both political and click bait reasons.

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish data:

67 deaths - was 61 last week

830 cases - exactly same as yesterday - was 895 last week

At 5.2% positive - was 4.9% last week

1472 patients (down 27) - was 1794 last week

115 ventilated icu (up 6 on day) - was 123 last week

30 in long term icu (up 2)

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

As soon as the hot weather returns thousands will flock to beauty spots, beaches, hold parties and barbeques and the police will be powerless to prevent it unless they enlist the help of the army. I sense a deep undercurrent of resentment bubbling amongst even many of the law abiding citizens. It will start as a trickle and become a flood.

it’s the law of unintended consequences .

you shut things down , the fewer things there is for people to do so parks appear packed, beaches etc. If there is nowhere for people to go more people will go the fewer places they are allowed To go to

it would be better if they opened more of the uk up with strict social distancing rules for people then people would not congregate in the fewer spaces

I have to say given the risk to 18-30 group of Covid the level of restrictions they have accepted in their prime for this long I find staggering.

I was rioting over the bloody poll tax as a student the youngsters now seem ok with it which I find really odd, I guess so long as they have WiFi they are happy.

 

[paulchapo]

Agree mate. But again I am hopeful that these sort of things won't be restricted by that time. Hopeful isn't even the right word, I'd be mightily pissed off if they were.

All these things were allowed last summer without any vaccinations or more effective means of treating the virus in place, so I don't see how they can ban them this year......unless a deadly new strain emerges.....oh wait a minute.....

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish vaccination data:

1, 113, 628 first dose vaccinations - 64, 881 yesterday - new record - up from 63, 178 day before

 

[paulchapo]

it’s the law of unintended consequences .

you shut things down , the fewer things there is for people to do so parks appear packed, beaches etc. If there is nowhere for people to go more people will go the fewer places they are allowed To go to

it would be better if they opened more of the uk up with strict social distancing rules for people then people would not congregate in the fewer spaces

I have to say given the risk to 18-30 group of Covid the level of restrictions they have accepted in their prime for this long I find staggering.

I was rioting over the bloody poll tax as a student the youngsters now seem ok with it which I find really odd, I guess so long as they have WiFi they are happy.

I think a lot are still meeting up with mates regardless. I passed about ten teenagers going somewhere last week as I was returning with my shopping. No social distancing or masks in sight. If they spot the police they just disperse and leg it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I think a lot are still meeting up with mates regardless. I passed about ten teenagers going somewhere last week as I was returning with my shopping. No social distancing or masks in sight. If they spot the police they just disperse and leg it.

true, it’s better this thread today for there being some discussion and proportionate consideration for lockdown lifting without the usual weld everyone in their wardrobe for a year brigade shouting it down.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland minister reports (after giving the data) that vaccine supply will more than half from next week.

From 400,000 plus this week to between 150, 000 and 200, 000 for next two weeks at least.

Due to Pfizer scaling down supply to ramp up supply in coming weeks for the world.

Future numbers beyond two weeks is expected to rise - with a small decrease in March total versus February - but then also numbers of first dose vaccinations impacted as second doses at 12 weeks become due and take up more supply than they do as now.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Scotland minister reports vacciner supply will more than half from next week.

Jees. That's more than what sounded from the 'drop a little' comments from NS earlier in the week.

 

[Healdplace]

You have to ask why we are not told clearly like this the position in England, which I imagine is the same.

 

[blueparrot]

Jees. That's more than what sounded from the 'drop a little' comments from NS earlier in the week.

Not quite sure if she means the Pfizer supply will halve, not the total supply.

 

[Gray]

My wife, who is 70 in July, received a letter this morning that was dated the 4th February. It invited her to go online and book her 1st vaccination, when she tried to do that the web site said she was not eligible.

She rang 119 who confirmed that she indeed was not eligible. She asked why they had sent the letter, the NHS person said he would try again but say she was a health service employee. Low and behold that worked and she is going tomorrow for her first vaccination.

I don’t think the right hand knows what the left hand is doing during this pandemic!

 

[worsleyweb]

You have to ask why we are not told clearly like this the position in England, which I imagine is the same.

Because she gobs off first! Its quite simple.

 

[Healdplace]

Jees. That's more than what sounded from the 'drop a little' comments from NS earlier in the week.

Yes, but at least they are telling their people clearly the facts and why they are as they are.

Nor did they try to blame Boris or England.

Why do people in England have to watch the Scottish government to learn the situation here via guesstimation of numbers.

 

[worsleyweb]

Just heard of another man in his 40s committing suicide. Tragic times.

 

[Healdplace]

Not quite sure if she means the Pfizer supply will halve, not the total supply.

She gave these numbers as of total weekly supply - so the total supply is 150,000 or 200,000 at most for next 2 weeks down from 400,000 this week and seems mostly caused by Pfizer.

She said they are talking to AZ about their supply in coming weeks but no numbers as yet.

Seemed like she was hoping they might plug some of the gap.

But as she rightly noted this is a global vaccination supply process not just the UK.

 

[Healdplace]

Because she gobs off first! Its quite simple.

It is not Nicola Sturgeon today and yes it is simple.

Clarity usually is. Obfuscation isn't.

I do not live in Scotland but I am pleased she explained this in clear terms as it is likely to cause the same drop in England and good we know in advance why and what they are trying to do to mitigate it and how long it might last.

How is NOT doing that good?

A government owes a duty of clarity to the public unless it is a state secret which something like this surely isn't if it is a global supply issue.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Because she gobs off first! Its quite simple.

I'm sure Jimmy Crankie deliberately comes out with her plans to make it look as she is leading the way and it is purely for show. She seems to preempt any new measures by acouple of hours by holding her press conference at lunchtime when the Englands is generally at 5pm

 

[paulchapo]

true, it’s better this thread today for there being some discussion and proportionate consideration for lockdown lifting without the usual weld everyone in their wardrobe for a year brigade shouting it down.

You can't deny people the basics of humanity forever without a backlash. Even the poor sods in North Korea who face awful torture and death if they don't comply still kick back. Some of the awful scenes I have seen here at care homes and the behaviour of our own police force in certain situations have made many realise how quickly our freedoms and rights can be taken away, it is unsettling.

I don't have the statistics but many thousands die every year on our roads and from diseases caused by obesity, alcohol and smoking, but we don't ban any of them. Governments cry about the strain on the NHS but still don't ban them. People have a choice. Now if we've vaccinated everyone that wants it and done all we can we have to give people the choice to live a free life again. The virus is here forever, like the flu and other diseases, we will never eradicate it so we have to live with it. If people still want to isolate as much as they can they can do so,let the rest of us live our lives. We all die anyway and all we have at the moment is a joyless, stagnant, loveless form of life , which isn't living it's existing.