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5605 cases - up again. But down 153 on last Wednesday.

Five now successive days of cases within 300 of each other.

Yet with tests each day ranging from 450,000 to nearly 1,9 million for these closely similar numbers.

Testing today is well down on yesterday.

819, 922 pillar 1 & 2 versus 1, 169, 040 yesterday.

The school testing is making these numbers all but useless now.
 
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Manc in London said:
Don't. Occasionally, I take a peak on Rightmove and see what we could buy up north if we sold our house (basic, 3 bed semi). It kills me. We won't though as the missus is a home bird.

Be interesting to see what happens to house prices if so many continue to WFH. Could see people move out of the expensive metro areas, especially in the south, and move up north. I know of two colleagues who are now WFH in France and others who have moved up north.
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Mate of mine has a small holiday home near Villamartin in Spain, been a couple of times, amongst others there's a large contingent of South Easterners from the UK who sold their houses for big money and retired to Spain circa early 2000's until the financial crash a few years later. Their biggest problem is Spanish property prices plummeted whilst the UK market is booming, there's no way they can come home, not to the SE anyway.
 
Healdplace said:
98 all settings deaths

5605 cases - up again. But down 153 on last Wednesday.

Five now successive days of cases within 300 of each other.

Yet with tests each day ranging from 450,000 to nearly 1,9 million for these closely similar numbers.

Testing today is well down on yesterday.

819, 922 pillar 1 & 2 versus 1, 169, 040 yesterday.

The school testing is making these numbers all but useless now.
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usual midweek spike from PCR, looks like it might be lower than last week's. bumped up by some LFD.
 
Healdplace said:
98 all settings deaths

5605 cases - up again. But down 153 on last Wednesday.

Five now successive days of cases within 300 of each other.

Yet with tests each day ranging from 450,000 to nearly 1,9 million for these closely similar numbers.

Testing today is well down on yesterday.

819, 922 pillar 1 & 2 versus 1, 169, 040 yesterday.

The school testing is making these numbers all but useless now.
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LF tests need to be put into a separate pillar.
 
Healdplace said:
The Northern Ireland case data by age range testing positive today shows their numbers from past 7 days cases:

0 - 19 (209) 20.6%

20 - 39 (398) 39.3%

40 - 59 (276) 27.2%

60 - 79 (102) 10.1%

80 PLUS (28) 2.8%


As you can see the numbers over 60 testing positive are falling week by week. It is down from over 25% and was about 18% a week or two ago and is now under 13%.

Whereas the younger ages are increasing in percentage and now more are under 20 than over 60. And probably treble under 30 than over 60.
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people over 60 still getting it? Inspite of vaccination?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Apparently Simon Calder has just been on the TV encouraging people to book their foreign holidays. Saying (in terms) don't worry, it will all be fine and if there's a problem you can cancel and get your money back in 2 weeks.

How fucking irresponsible when this goes dead against current government advice.

The reality is who knows what/whether restrictions are going to be lifted and it is very far from "it will all be fine". And so much for the law about giving money back - it took me 6 months and threats of legal action to get my £2,500 back off Sovereign after THEY cancelled my holiday last year.
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Where is the government advice saying not to book holidays?

It is currently illegal to travel abroad for leisure reasons, it is absolutely NOT illegal to book a foreign holiday.
Just like it isn't illegal to book a gig ticket even though those types of events aren't permitted yet and are also subject to the unknown.

Had he been telling people to go to the airport and jump on a flight then yes that would be wholly irresponsible, but he wasn't.

I saw the clip (Calder really divides the industry)....he was probably being a bit OTT on his confidence of things being ok but the sentiment of his message was correct; if you book a package holiday through a reputable agency/tour operator then there are, ultimately, 2 eventualities.....it goes ahead and you have your holiday, or it gets cancelled by the operator and you can claim a full refund.

His comment about a refund within 14 days was unnecessary....technically yes as that's what the law states if you are cancelled by the operator, but in reality it can be longer than that as you've experienced yourself. Things are a bit better on that front this year, and the main players like Jet2/TUI are relatively quick with the refunds. Some are still slow though.

I must point out though that he didn't say the customer can cancel and get a refund, it would have to be cancelled by the operator for a refund entitlement.

International leisure travel will restart at some point, be that in May, July, October or 2022.
Many people are looking forward to its resumption when permitted by the Government.
Just like people are looking forward to having a pint down their local, or going to watch a film at the cinema when things like that are again permitted by the Government.

If people want to take a punt on a responsibly booked package holiday, gig, event, whatever this summer then good for them and crack on.
 
worsleyweb said:
people over 60 still getting it? Inspite of vaccination?
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Isn't that the issue with reporting of cases / infections? You can still get infected with a virus even when vaccinated but the vaccine stops you getting poorly. However, the vaccine probably does have some effect on stopping people getting it in the first place hence numbers decreasing but never reaching zero. Also, not all over 60s can / want to be immunised so there will always be some unprotected individuals.
 
Regional Highlights:

Zoe proven right again as despite the UK cases rise North West is down to one of its lowest number in months.

And Yorkshire top region again.

SOUTH

East- down 87 to 296

London - up 13 to 508

South East - down 38 to 417

South West - down 19 to 223



MIDLANDS

East - up 31 to 503

West - up 42 to 611


NORTH

North East - up 44 to 367

Yorkshire - up 91 to 969

And

North West - down 107 to 631.


Greater Manchester shared 45 of that fall today - about par.
 
Hospital data is OK news. Numbers have fallen in England again in both patients and ventilators - though the NW fall is still on the slow side it did go down in both today also by 26 and 2 respectively.

Just failed to go sub 4000 in England - down 240 in day to 4005 patients. Ventilators fell by 34 to 613.

Full breakdown by regions and UK later as usual.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Where is the government advice saying not to book holidays?
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Matt Hancock said so explicitly in January, and again on Feb 11th that it was too early to book holidays and that people should be patient. Subsequently, rather than being more bullish, the opposite is true and he's suggested as recently as yesterday that we don't know whether families will be able to travel abroad "from July".

Furthermore, on Monday shares in IAG and RR fell after the government (Helen Whately, social care minister) said "My advice would be to anybody right now is just to hold off on booking international travel."

Earlier this week, Boris Johnson: "All I can say is it’s just too early to say and my advice is to everybody to wait for the global travel task force to report."
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Matt Hancock said so explicitly in January, and again on Feb 11th that it was too early to book holidays and that people should be patient. Subsequently, rather than being more bullish, the opposite is true and he's suggested as recently as yesterday that we don't know whether families will be able to travel abroad "from July".

Furthermore, on Monday shares in IAG and RR fell after the government (Helen Whately, social care minister) said "My advice would be to anybody right now is just to hold off on booking international travel."
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Speculative advice doing immense damage to an industry employing 100s of thousands of people. They should stick to their published dates for announcements.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Question remains, would the suspension have happened if it was a German vaccine? I doubt it. So whether the Paul Ehrlich Institute is full of clever people or not, it’s not beyond the realms of comprehension to believe there was an element of political or patriotic bias in their decision to suspend.
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Brits go from extreme confidence to extremely tetchy in short spaces of time, don’t they?

I don’t know about France or Germany but in Spain each autonomous region has the autonomy and power to administer the vaccine rollout as they wish. So tell me exactly why regions like Galicia and Andalusia, two places that will be absolutely desperate for a full tourist season this year, paused the rollout of the AZ vaccine? What have they got to gain from politicizing a vaccine?

Eventually other regions and then the whole country also suspended it. The tipping point was the death of a 43yo old woman in Andalusia who died shortly after having the vaccine.

This is all being so over hyped. Some European countries wanted to do some more testing after some abnormal results. They suspended the use of it and are now satisfied and back in full flow. A few days in the grand scheme of things isn’t the end of the world, time will be caught up and Spain still intends to vaccinate 70% of the population by the summer.

And in terms of this damaging the reputation of the vaccine, well those skeptics that aren’t just conspiracy nuts will be grateful for the extra testing, surely?!
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Speculative advice doing immense damage to an industry employing 100s of thousands of people. They should stick to their published dates for announcements.
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I am sure that's why they have not been even more explicit. I am sure they wanted to say "Fuck No", but realise just how damaging that would be to said industry.

But the advice they are getting from Sage is that international travel this summer is looking extremely unlikely.
 
Greater Manchester highlights

341 cases - down 45 on yesterday - versus 423 last Wednesday - up 1.4% to 54% of NW cases today that were down 107 at 631

Manchester top - up 2 on 80. But down week to week by 20 which is good.

Bolton next - up 16 on 44. And also up 11 week to week.

Rochdale in 3rd at 40 - up 14 on day and 12 week to week. So thee two boroughs will see Pop rises.

Wigan next on 36 - down 28 and a little on last weeks 42 - so that is good.

Stockport on 32 is up 2 but down 2 week to week so pretty much static.

Tameside had a better day falling 21 to 26 - down 18 on last week so Pop will fall.

Oldham also down 19 to 24 and well down on its 38 last week - so also will see a fall.

Salford also clocked 24 -down just by 1 but a big 34 week to week - good news for its Pop Score.

Then the battle for the lowest score.....

Bury on 18 is down 4 and 17 on last week so a good day for them.

But Trafford pips it on 17 - down 6 on yesterday but UP by 6 on last week. So will lose a little of its lowest Pop score. It also resumed its lead over Stockport increasing it by 4 for best overall Pop score to 186.

Full Pop Score week to week table later.
 
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