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Indian epidemic is worrying. Could be variant related. Not confirmed. At the moment its just been reported as a correlation. They call their variant the double mutant.
 
03 March 2002 said:
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This isn't the same as antibiotic resistance, vaccinating people gives their immune system a sneak peak of what to expect when/if they are exposed to the live virus, where on earth have you conjured this from?
If anything vaccination vastly lowers the titres in infected persons thus lowering the amount of replication and avoiding mutations.
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I edited my post as this had me questioning myself and my wording.

I can see where hist flawed logic comes from, we're being told that if we loosened lockdown while vaccinations are on going it increases the risk of a variant that skips immunity could form. the natural progression of thinking is that more vaccines = more risk. but as you rightly point out. the more people vaccinated the less virus there is to mutate to be able to form those new strains.. the key issue is that there is a critical mass involved. Partial vaccinations while letting it rip increases the likleyhood of that immunity jump as there is more mutation going on while being exposed to the immune/vaccinated.

once we hit, or are near herd immunity levels ( via natural / vaccines ) the virus starts to die off entirely resulting in less virus pool to mutate from.

personally tho I’m sure ( based on nothing but opinion ) that with the amount this is burning around the world right now an variant than jumps immunity is more likely than not.
 
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HOSPITAL DATA

Much better today with the fall resuming and a fair spread across the regions. And UK patients fell in every nation today too. Ventilators down a little but not a lot. But down in down. And we may go sub 500 tomorrow. Admissions too falling and may go sub 200 in next few days, Another good indiucator.



UK total:


Patients down to 3745 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 35, 503 in 72 days) :- lowest since 6 October

Ventilators down to 546 it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3531 in 66 days) : lowest since 13 October


England only:-


ADMISSIONS:-

206 Covid admissions (28 March) following 221, 217, 245, 283, 277, 295, 294 in the week before.



PATIENTS:-

Patients down in day by 199 to 3084 v 4005 last week :- lowest since 7 October.

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 31, 252 in 72 days)

Ventilators: down 17 to 501 v 613 last week :- lowest since 17 October

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 3235 in 66 days)



Regions:



Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week


East Down 23 to 237 v 362 // Stays at 46 v 66

London down 28 to 689 v 840 // down 1 to 153 v 190

Midlands down 38 to 631 v 826 // down 6 to 111 v 131

NE & Yorks down 50 to 514 v 637 // down 1 to 79 v 82

North West down 41 to 591 v 723 // down 2 to 69 v 83

South East down 12 to 309 v 461 // down 3 to 31 v 37

South West down 7 to 113 v 156 // down 4 to 12 v 24
 
Great to see on the news those people flocking to parks to get pissed and actively working for a 3rd wave. Makes you proud to be part of a country filled to the brim with utter stupid cunts. If only they were the ones who could catch it and die. But, it won't be them, so, fuck it is their answer.
 
GM Weekly Pop Scores after today:~

Borough / Score Today / Score 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop scores going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop Score is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.



Oldham 109 / 103 UP 6 Testing positive 9.6%

Bolton 105 / 111/ Down 6 Testing positive 8.9%

Tameside 98 / 117 / Down 19 Testing positive 8.0%

Rochdale 93 / 111 / Down 18 Testing positive 9.4%

Manchester 92 / 92 / SAME Testing positive 9.4%

Salford 85 / 96 / Down 11 Testing positive 8.9%

Wigan 81 / 101 / Down 20 Testing positive 8.7%

Trafford 75 / 48 / UP 27 Testing positive 6.9%

Bury 65/ 88 / Down 23 Testing positive 8.9%

Stockport 62 / 77 / Down 15 Testing positive 7.0%


As you see Stockport and Bury pulling away at the moment but it can change as 2 weeks ago Trafford was miles ahead of everyone. Its overall Pop lead on Stockport looked unassailable then too and whilst still 173 and not under threat any time soon it has lost ground consistently in past 10 days or so.

The three lowest scorers in the early days of the pandemic have re-established that normality as numbers have tumbled.

Oldham and Bolton still doing relatively poorly.

Weekly cases:- Bury leads on 125 whilst - at 179 Trafford - leader last week here - is losing ground. At 184 Stockport has been falling and is on the verge of overtaking Trafford for second - though well behind Bury on this measure.

Others:- Bolton 300, Manchester 508, Oldham 258. Rochdale 208, Salford 222, Tameside 222, Wigan 267
 
grunge said:
I edited my post as this had me questioning myself and my wording.

I can see where hist flawed logic comes from, we're being told that if we loosened lockdown while vaccinations are on going it increases the risk of a variant that skips immunity could form. the natural progression of thinking is that more vaccines = more risk. but as you rightly point out. the more people vaccinated the less virus there is to mutate to be able to form those new strains.. the key issue is that there is a critical mass involved. Partial vaccinations while letting it rip increases the likleyhood of that immunity jump as there is more mutation going on while being exposed to the immune/vaccinated.

once we hit, or are near herd immunity levels ( via natural / vaccines ) the virus starts to die off entirely resulting in less virus pool to mutate from.

personally tho I’m sure ( based on nothing but opinion ) that with the amount this is burning around the world right now an variant than jumps immunity is more likely than not.
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I think it may also be conflating what does what.

Viruses mutate fairly randomly, the more virus that exists the more chance of a variant. Vaccines are intended to make antibodies which stop viruses acting/replicating, and thus reduce the amount of virus (very simplified!).

Antibiotics aren't used to treat viruses (there may be a few that are, but most aren't), they are used to treat bacterial infections. Antibiotic resistance comes from the bacteria getting used to the antibiotic or evolving so it doesn't get killed by it (same as pesticide resistance on plants) (very simplified!).
 
discopop said:
Makes you wonder the wisdom of banging 60’000 into stadiums for matches against England, no mask wearing no segregation as such just utter folly.
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It would be interesting to know just how many people who attended the League Cup final last year caught this. Rammed pubs, trains, tubes, stands and concourses.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Would, in your opinion, the US line on that graph indicate that they haven’t had a taste of the UK/Kent variant as yet?
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They've certainly got it but I've no idea how prevalent it is.

US is a big place and there are huge differences in COVID response and incidence, probably more than in Europe.

If I had to give an opinion, I'd guess that plateau is a mixture of relaxing too fast with vaccinating, and Kent variant spreading. But honestly, that's nothing more than pure speculation.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
There are no other figures to use as a base line, Covid is 10x more deadly because of the Flu jab Covid is more transmutable because of the way the figures were collated ,
My point was and is that those who are at risk should have the Covid jab, but those that are not should not, for the same reason we do not Vaccinate the entire country for the Flu,
The government should not threaten to take away freedoms, in the shape of Covid passports to convince people to take the Covid jab.
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Freedoms? Does this include freedom to go to work and not be put at an uneccesary risk of getting a nasty virus?
 
So I reckon Europe is fucked, what if they won’t take the vaccine it will be rinse and repeat for years. I’m guessing the Euros may well come to the U.K. in summer now way we can have teams travelling backwards and forwards round Europe.
 
BlueAnorak said:
EMA regulator slaps down Germany for its actions saying there is NO EVIDENCE for their action at all. None.
www.politico.eu

EU regulator: No evidence to support restriction of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine

In the ongoing review of the cases, experts have said they haven’t been able to identify any specific risk factors for these rare clotting events.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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Cool down. Severe possible side effect cases have been reported (and the reporting is more standardized than UK "yellow card system") and while scientists try to find an explanation (or evidence as you rightly point out), politicians take a cautious route to not completely burn AZ in the German market. What's wrong?

German public is aware that benefits clearly outweigh risks in this case and know it's a good vaccine to help getting the population vaccinated.
Many people are irritated or a bit unsettled but enough are still happy to be vaccinated with AZ. That's the plan.
We will have enough Biontech jabs in April and May and can afford this little slowdown for AZ. Hopefully.
 
Magicpole said:
Great to see on the news those people flocking to parks to get pissed and actively working for a 3rd wave. Makes you proud to be part of a country filled to the brim with utter stupid cunts. If only they were the ones who could catch it and die. But, it won't be them, so, fuck it is their answer.
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And the outcry when Boris comes on and delays opening up, from the dicks who will have inevitably caused it.
 
St.Pauli support said:
Cool down. Severe possible side effect cases have been reported (and the reporting is more standardized than UK "yellow card system") and while scientists try to find an explanation (or evidence as you rightly point out), politicians take a cautious route to not completely burn AZ in the German market. What's wrong?

German public is aware that benefits clearly outweigh risks in this case and know it's a good vaccine to help getting the population vaccinated.
Many people are irritated or a bit unsettled but enough are still happy to be vaccinated with AZ. That's the plan.
We will have enough Biontech jabs in April and May and can afford this little slowdown for AZ. Hopefully.
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Just reporting going what the EMA regulator said
 
Have spoken to lots of people last few days that I know.
Some in their 40s, 30s and even one in their 20s.
All with no health issues and all from Trafford and all said they got a jab appointment and all said that they have had their 1st dose!

I'm 45 and have to wait but I am hearing more and more of these stories of people seemingly cheating the system, with no checks before hand and getting vaccinated, one guy I run with who's 48 said in Timperley he was the oldest person at the centre when he went last week.
How is this allowed to happen And how are people getting away with it?
I'm more than happy to wait and I'm.not being a mard arse but this is really starting to piss me off.
 
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