Coronavirus (2021) thread

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The really bad news is that many regions DOWN today or up slightly.

But for the second day running the North West has skyrocketed.

Just like Zoe has been predicting.

Two days ago NW was 566. Yesterday 745.

Today - scarily - 1025.

First region over 1000 in months. And almost double where NW was last week

So one third of all the UK cases are in the North West.

Starting to think a regional lockdown is inevitable.

London also up quite a lot from 295 yesterday to 726.

East MIdlands miore than doubled too to 322.

But Yorkshire seems over it. and FALLS to 305.
 
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Rammy Blue said:
Well they can stick their regional lockdown where the sun doesn't shine, if they expect me to adhere to it after 2 jabs.
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Spot on!! No more fucking lockdowns!!! We've had almost 14 months of them here with little respite. The majority adhered, most people have had one of not two jabs, everything that can be done has been done. Cases were going to rise when things opened up. We can't keep this cycle going forever. If hospitals aren't full and hundreds dying then keep going. If people being hospitalised won't take the vaccine then tough shit, the rest of us shouldn't suffer
 
Why are people acting shocked that cases are rising. This is not new news and we’ve been told this would happen for ages as we open up. JVT even said a few weeks ago that the 2-2.5K new cases per day was pretty much the lowest level we were going to get to. Zero covid is not possible - it’s just a case of where is settles as we live alongside it.

There has to be a balance between opening up and protecting health. ‘Protect the NHS’ is the target, not zero cases because that won’t happen if we want to have any sort of quality of life.
 
davealvers said:
Why are people acting shocked that cases are rising. This is not new news and we’ve been told this would happen for ages as we open up. JVT even said a few weeks ago that the 2-2.5K new cases per day was pretty much the lowest level we were going to get to. Zero covid is not possible - it’s just a case of where is settles as we live alongside it.

There has to be a balance between opening up and protecting health. ‘Protect the NHS’ is the target, not zero cases because that won’t happen if we want to have any sort of quality of life.
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Exactly!
 
Sadly Greater Manchester has done a Bolton. Everywhere massively up. 3 or 4 times last week in most cases.

Really disturbing numbers today.

Manchester over 100

Salford up in week from 15 to 60

Wigan (44),Rochdale (43), Stockport (40) all way up. Stockport by 7 TIMES in a week.

Even Tameside has the LOWEST nyumber as usual and they are on 20 - 4 times where they were 48 hours ago.

I know a lot of these are just more testing but it is hard not to see this as a really serious increase. Over expectations very fast.

There were 604 cases in GM today. Up from 323 Tuesday and 395 yesterday.

Pretty worrying.

It was what we hoped not to see and I have been saying for days in the GM data we were not yet seeing. It likely means the variant has spread across the region because of the incompetence of slow reaction to too many things.

Do not blame posters in here if we do go back into lockdown.

Blame those who could have stopped this but chose not to do so.
 
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Healdplace said:
Sadly Greater Manchester has done a Bolton. Everywhere massively up. 3 or 4 times last week in most cases.

Really disturbing numbers today.

Manchester over 100

Salford up in week from 15 to 60

Wigan (44),Rochdale (43), Stockport (40) all way up. Stockport by 7 TIMES in a week.

Even Tameside has the LOWEST nyumber as usual and they are on 20 - 4 times where they were 48 hours ago.

I know a lot of these are just more testing but it is hard not to see this as a really serious increase. Over expectations very fast.

There were 604 cases in GM today. Up from 323 Tuesday and 395 yesterday.

Pretty worrying.
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No it’s not. Vaccines don’t stop you catching or spreading it, it’s not disturbing or worrying why use such provocative terminology?
 
True_Blue69 said:
No it’s not. Vaccines don’t stop you catching or spreading it, it’s not disturbing or worrying why use such provocative terminology?
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Because quadrupling cases in a week across an area of several million people IS worrying. It is almost certainly driven by this new variant and countries are queuing up to stop travel to the UK.

They are not doing it for fun. And doing it much faster than we did to stop this coming here.

Of course the hospital data is key. And as you know I post it daily. And so far it is just edging up but the NW is standing out as the problem there too.

And a smaller percentage of a lot more people still equals a rising number.

Until we can suppress this variant numbers will go on escalating where it takes root.

Vaccination IS th way out but with people like we saw earlier in here refusing to have it and the need to have weeks yet to vaccinate those who want it but are as yet not reached then we have a race on that we would not be having had we not been stupid enough to let this strain take hold.
 
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davealvers said:
Why are people acting shocked that cases are rising. This is not new news and we’ve been told this would happen for ages as we open up. JVT even said a few weeks ago that the 2-2.5K new cases per day was pretty much the lowest level we were going to get to. Zero covid is not possible - it’s just a case of where is settles as we live alongside it.

There has to be a balance between opening up and protecting health. ‘Protect the NHS’ is the target, not zero cases because that won’t happen if we want to have any sort of quality of life.
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Would agree with this, to a certain extent the number of cases is not the issue. It's the ones that develop into more serious problems in terms of hospitalisations that we need to keep an eye on.
 
No surprise figures are going up.

Indoor hospitality opening before everybody has been offered a first jab was a mistake. Many people out and about will have had 1 or 0 jabs, so you would expect rising cases.

But as many people have said, it’s not about the cases, it’s about hospital figures.
 
Healdplace said:
Sadly Greater Manchester has done a Bolton. Everywhere massively up. 3 or 4 times last week in most cases.

Really disturbing numbers today.

Manchester over 100

Salford up in week from 15 to 60

Wigan (44),Rochdale (43), Stockport (40) all way up. Stockport by 7 TIMES in a week.

Even Tameside has the LOWEST nyumber as usual and they are on 20 - 4 times where they were 48 hours ago.

I know a lot of these are just more testing but it is hard not to see this as a really serious increase. Over expectations very fast.

There were 604 cases in GM today. Up from 323 Tuesday and 395 yesterday.

Pretty worrying.

It was what we hoped not to see and I have been saying for days in the GM data we were not yet seeing. It likely means the variant has spread across the region because of the incompetence of slow reaction to too many things.

Do not blame posters in here if we do go back into lockdown.

Blame those who could have stopped this but chose not to do so.
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Shyte! Such a huge day to day change implies a reporting issue, any indication that might be the case?
 
49 people are in hospital with covid in Bolton. All but 5 are unvaccinated.

The vaccines obviously work, so why do a rise in cases matter?

I’ve said before, huge respect to Healdplace for doing the research and posting the numbers in here but using terms like ‘worrying’ ‘really disturbing’ and ‘lockdown inevitable’ and throwing SHOUTY CAPS around doesn’t help anyone and just serves to muddy the water. It’s scaremongering and we’ve got enough of that.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Shyte! Such a huge day to day change implies a reporting issue, any indication that might be the case?
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No but I am hoping so too.

If you recall they messed about with the way they post daily numbers a week or so back - why we got that huge negative number one day last week.

As they do the quick tests, count them as positive and remove them from the overall number if they become negative days later (as many of them do) but do NOT change the daily numbers.

As I said then this could render the daily numbers useless.

I am hoping a week on this might be the first clear evidence of that stupid change to the way the data is presented.

We may find ups and downs like the Alps are now the norm.

If this is a real increase and it cointinues we have a problem.

If not and they yo yo back down we just have decision makers running things who make very silly decisions.

So nothing new.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
49 people are in hospital with covid in Bolton. All but 5 are unvaccinated.

The vaccines obviously work, so why do a rise in cases matter?

I’ve said before, huge respect to Healdplace for doing the research and posting the numbers in here but using terms like ‘worrying’ ‘really disturbing’ and ‘lockdown inevitable’ and throwing SHOUTY CAPS around doesn’t help anyone and just serves to muddy the water. It’s scaremongering and we’ve got enough of that.
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With all due respect, its a thread on a global pandemic. So words like 'worrying' or 'disturbing' aren't exactly out of place. If people are worried or concerned by what they're seeing, they're allowed to be. It doesn't mean that you have to be too!

I think your question on why a rise in cases matter has been answered plenty of times. If you disagree with that answer then that's up to you.
 
cases per 100k, per LTLA, seven day rolling mean by specimen date

red dashed line is last 5 days which is very liable to change and, in general, will only ever increase.

Rossendale going bananas.

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