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Good post. I’ve not been vaccinated against anything, even TB I missed at school. I’m 43.

This vaccine is a new technology, that’s only been used to speed up a process. Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Im taking vitamin D and doing the best I can, but I am apprehensive. I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.

It wasn’t rushed, just more resources were thrown at it to go through the same trials any other vaccine procedure goes through - they tested rigorously and loads of independent bodies have passed the safety and effectiveness of it.

It’s an amazing achievement and there is proof that these vaccines are working against the virus.
 
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Probably will be shot down on here, but I have no intention of having a vaccine. Certainly not yet. Rumours of a third jab needed, where will it end?

In a few years from now, it will be if you had x vaccine you may be entitled to compensation…

I just don’t trust it, does anyone else have any reservations?

Who left the door unlocked at the twat farm again?
 
Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Very strange thing to write.

Firstly, it's not true - Swine flu and Ebola have both had vaccines introduced.

Secondly, how many pandemics have there been since vaccines were invented?

I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.

The point is not your fate, but that *others* may pay the consequences.
 
Good post. I’ve not been vaccinated against anything, even TB I missed at school. I’m 43.

This vaccine is a new technology, that’s only been used to speed up a process. Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Im taking vitamin D and doing the best I can, but I am apprehensive. I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.
Yeah, I've taken Vic D for years (and B12 and others). I (did) run almost every day or was at the gym and have never been fitter.
However, the virus absolutely battered me and four months on I'm still suffering.
I went for a run over week ago and ran out of breath then my heart started racing and had palpitations so had to stop immediately.

I've no idea if this is permanent at the moment but reading magic poles post on the other page is a worry.
 
Good post. I’ve not been vaccinated against anything, even TB I missed at school. I’m 43.

This vaccine is a new technology, that’s only been used to speed up a process. Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Im taking vitamin D and doing the best I can, but I am apprehensive. I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.

So you were never vaccinated for any of the childhood stuff that was par for the course in he 70's?

Childhood vaccination in the 70's for all of these were standard practice and no way you would remember them as they were given at a very young age.


Late 1970s | Recommended Vaccines​

Diphtheria*
Tetanus*
Pertussis*
Polio (OPV)
Measles**
Mumps**
Rubella**
* Given in combination as DTP
** Given in combination as MMR

That being said, if you have managed to go your entire life without any vaccines at all, which is hard to believe to be honest in this country. the only reason you have not been at significant risk of illness + death is because 99% of people around you have been vaccinated so the virus has no where to spread to you from.
 
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Some people are dying or having complications, from the vaccine. It’s far from black and white.

Granted there is more risk from not having the vaccine, but I don’t know if I’ve even had covid or what complications I may get if infected. It’s tricky.

its not that tricky at all. there are odds of being killed by anything. Your far more likely to be killed by lightning or even a cow than you are to die from avaccine.

 
Good post. I’ve not been vaccinated against anything, even TB I missed at school. I’m 43.

This vaccine is a new technology, that’s only been used to speed up a process. Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Im taking vitamin D and doing the best I can, but I am apprehensive. I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.
You sound as if you've been beamed in from.the middle ages with TB. The vaccines are safe. The alternative isn't. At the end of the day that's the bottom line. Talk to a health professional about your concerns. And above all, look after yourself mate.
 
More good news. This from Chris Hopson CEO of NHS providers and a notable cautionary around Covid and the risks to the NHS, via Twitter (Link at bottom of the read).

Just done an interview this morning on current state of play in trusts particularly affected by variant that originated in India. Member feedback suggests the following. Hospitalisations increasing steadily but not precipitately. The next week or so will be key.

Early signs that the rate of community infections is beginning to peak in some places. Example of increases / estimates of hospitalisations from one hospital: 20 last week, 40 this week, predicted 60 next week and this hopefully being peak, assuming infection peak reached.

But trust CEOs are clear that modelling of future hospitalisations feels very uncertain given number of variables and unreliability of modelling in previous waves. They want to see what happens over the next seven days which they are describing as "the crucial week".

The average district general hospital bed base = circa 400-500. So trust leaders saying that having 60 out of 400 beds occupied by Covid-19 patients - 15% - is very different to the 50% / 60% Covid-19 patient bed occupancy rates we were seeing at the start of this year.

CEOs struck how, as expected, hospitalisations are very much
focused on unvaccinated – either eligible unvaccinated or younger people not yet vaccinated. Very small numbers of two dose vaccinated patients and hospitalisations in this category have clear co-morbidities.

Trust CEOs saying they can see difference in protection levels between single and double doses. If so, vindication of JCVI's decision to bring forward the second dose timing from 12 to 8 weeks and stresses importance of all eligible getting vaccinated as soon as possible.

Trust leaders saying that the proportion of hospitalisations requiring critical care is significantly lower than previous waves. They're linking this to much lower age range of hospital patients compared to previous waves e.g. in one trust c70% are under 45.

Trust leaders also re-doubling their efforts around preventing hospital acquired infection given the seeming 30-50% greater transmissibility rate of this variant. And, obviously, doing all they can to assist with wider community effort to rapidly increase vaccination rates…

with particular emphasis on identifying and vaccinating those eligible who have not yet been vaccinated. Trusts are also working hard to be ready for any increase in hospitalisations should it arrive. As well as promptly completing numerous information requests (!)

Trust CEOs looking for much better quality of national public health advice communications in affected areas e.g. around local lockdowns. "People can't follow advice if they don't know it exists. And any approach needs to be agreed with the relevant local authorities".

CEOs relieved that they are seeing very few, if any, care home residents with covid-19. They’re also very grateful, as ever, for staff flexibility and work to deal with those cases who are arriving. In summary, manageable so far but next seven days will be key.

That was from yesterday. Update today.
Just a quick addition to my earlier thread on the impact the variant originating in India is having on the NHS. There is some potentially misleading media reporting today making links between how busy hospitals currently are and pressures from covid-19...
Talking to more hospital CEOs in affected areas, their trusts are v busy. But it's due to a combination of the following five things:
A. Going full pelt on elective backlog recovery.
B. Increasing, but still small compared to Jan/Feb, numbers of covid-19 patients....
C. Very busy accident and emergency departments with high numbers of high acuity patients, many needing significant treatment / admission.
D. Trusts re-organising themselves to be ready in case Covid-19 numbers do significantly rise over the next week (not expected)...
4/5 ...
E. Trusts doing all they can to avoid slowing down on elective recovery despite slowly rising numbers of Covid-19 patients and pressurised accident and emergency pathway. EG Fascinating conversation with CEO this morning. If trust has more than 10 Covid patients...
They have to start taking wards out of commission to isolate/treat those patients, impacting on elective recovery. They're understandably doing all they can (more reorganising type work) to avoid this happening. So busy hospitals don't automatically mean big covid surge.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson
 
Probably will be shot down on here, but I have no intention of having a vaccine. Certainly not yet. Rumours of a third jab needed, where will it end?

In a few years from now, it will be if you had x vaccine you may be entitled to compensation…

I just don’t trust it, does anyone else have any reservations?
Don’t pay attention to rumours, just follow the science. And I don’t mean online cranks, follow the medical journals, and university peer reviewed trials. If you’re following rumours, no wonder you’re apprehensive. Online rumours are full of mistruths, misinformation, and lies, and they’re purposely put forward to make people apprehensive. It’s the shit end of free speech where the idiots spread bullshit to entice people into their web of deceit.

Don’t worry about hypotheticals, just follow the science.

It’s absolutely fine to have reservations but make sure you’re speaking to and reading information from the right people to base your decision.
 
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Yeah, I've taken Vic D for years (and B12 and others). I (did) run almost every day or was at the gym and have never been fitter.
However, the virus absolutely battered me and four months on I'm still suffering.
I went for a run over week ago and ran out of breath then my heart started racing and had palpitations so had to stop immediately.

I've no idea if this is permanent at the moment but reading magic poles post on the other page is a worry.
My sister is still struggling 6 months after catching it-elevated heart beat, voice not back properly, breathless etc-everybody should get the vaccine when offered.
 
Good post. I’ve not been vaccinated against anything, even TB I missed at school. I’m 43.

This vaccine is a new technology, that’s only been used to speed up a process. Vaccines aren’t brought out in the middle of pandemics as a rule.

Im taking vitamin D and doing the best I can, but I am apprehensive. I realise I may pay the consequence, whichever option I take.
Not being vaccinated is your choice, as long as you’re not spreading lies about it, people shouldn’t have a problem with your views. That is, to a point.

But have you ever considered the fact that not being vaccinated means that if you do contract what you haven’t been vaccinated against, you not only run the risk of you getting seriously ill or dying from it but also you run the risk of it mutating and when you spread it to others they have a greater chance of getting seriously ill or dying, or wider populations of people do?

This vaccine isn’t a new technology. The WHO, pharmaceutical companies and world leading universities have been testing DNA vaccines since the early 90s. In 2007 the WHO organisation released reports on the safety guidelines for DNA vaccines

In 2008 clinical trials were put forward for the safety of DNA vaccines to use in real world scenarios with humans, with reference to studies from 1993 saying “These trials [from 1993] demonstrated that the DNA vaccine platform is well tolerated and safe, as no adverse events were reported and all studies went to completion”

And they have been used in real world vaccines since 2013 (USA flu recombinant vaccines)
and in other vaccines since then.

Ignore these lies about this being a new technology, there are many many studies you can find going back three decades on this kind of vaccine science.
 
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More good news. This from Chris Hopson CEO of NHS providers and a notable cautionary around Covid and the risks to the NHS, via Twitter (Link at bottom of the read).

Just done an interview this morning on current state of play in trusts particularly affected by variant that originated in India. Member feedback suggests the following. Hospitalisations increasing steadily but not precipitately. The next week or so will be key.

Early signs that the rate of community infections is beginning to peak in some places. Example of increases / estimates of hospitalisations from one hospital: 20 last week, 40 this week, predicted 60 next week and this hopefully being peak, assuming infection peak reached.

But trust CEOs are clear that modelling of future hospitalisations feels very uncertain given number of variables and unreliability of modelling in previous waves. They want to see what happens over the next seven days which they are describing as "the crucial week".

The average district general hospital bed base = circa 400-500. So trust leaders saying that having 60 out of 400 beds occupied by Covid-19 patients - 15% - is very different to the 50% / 60% Covid-19 patient bed occupancy rates we were seeing at the start of this year.

CEOs struck how, as expected, hospitalisations are very much
focused on unvaccinated – either eligible unvaccinated or younger people not yet vaccinated. Very small numbers of two dose vaccinated patients and hospitalisations in this category have clear co-morbidities.

Trust CEOs saying they can see difference in protection levels between single and double doses. If so, vindication of JCVI's decision to bring forward the second dose timing from 12 to 8 weeks and stresses importance of all eligible getting vaccinated as soon as possible.

Trust leaders saying that the proportion of hospitalisations requiring critical care is significantly lower than previous waves. They're linking this to much lower age range of hospital patients compared to previous waves e.g. in one trust c70% are under 45.

Trust leaders also re-doubling their efforts around preventing hospital acquired infection given the seeming 30-50% greater transmissibility rate of this variant. And, obviously, doing all they can to assist with wider community effort to rapidly increase vaccination rates…

with particular emphasis on identifying and vaccinating those eligible who have not yet been vaccinated. Trusts are also working hard to be ready for any increase in hospitalisations should it arrive. As well as promptly completing numerous information requests (!)

Trust CEOs looking for much better quality of national public health advice communications in affected areas e.g. around local lockdowns. "People can't follow advice if they don't know it exists. And any approach needs to be agreed with the relevant local authorities".

CEOs relieved that they are seeing very few, if any, care home residents with covid-19. They’re also very grateful, as ever, for staff flexibility and work to deal with those cases who are arriving. In summary, manageable so far but next seven days will be key.

That was from yesterday. Update today.
Just a quick addition to my earlier thread on the impact the variant originating in India is having on the NHS. There is some potentially misleading media reporting today making links between how busy hospitals currently are and pressures from covid-19...
Talking to more hospital CEOs in affected areas, their trusts are v busy. But it's due to a combination of the following five things:
A. Going full pelt on elective backlog recovery.
B. Increasing, but still small compared to Jan/Feb, numbers of covid-19 patients....
C. Very busy accident and emergency departments with high numbers of high acuity patients, many needing significant treatment / admission.
D. Trusts re-organising themselves to be ready in case Covid-19 numbers do significantly rise over the next week (not expected)...
4/5 ...
E. Trusts doing all they can to avoid slowing down on elective recovery despite slowly rising numbers of Covid-19 patients and pressurised accident and emergency pathway. EG Fascinating conversation with CEO this morning. If trust has more than 10 Covid patients...
They have to start taking wards out of commission to isolate/treat those patients, impacting on elective recovery. They're understandably doing all they can (more reorganising type work) to avoid this happening. So busy hospitals don't automatically mean big covid surge.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson
That is very encouraging and matches the data I am posting daily.

As to how Bolton has seemed to plateau. The media reports on numbers are about 5 days old and they have been improving since - which they will spot soon. Its Pop Score has fallen for three successive days now.

As to how the places in GM with the highest vaccination levels are posting the fewest numbers. And as to how the NW patient and daily admission numbers have risen but in very small numbers - from about 15 to 30 over a couple of weeks daily and in total week to week being about a dozen up on where they were - as in not much over 10%.

These are not numbers out of control and, as I have said in the past few hospital data reports, mirroring the above, that the next week or so will tell us where we are headed. Which Roubaix has said too in recent posts from other data right now things are not looking as bleak as they could have done.

Probably as the vaccines can cope with this variant and the bad press and panicking (which has its usefulness at times like this) has scared a few into being sensible on vaccination.
 
Wales data

2 deaths - was 0 last week

58 cases - was 44 last week

0.5% positivity - was 0,3%

Cases up a little BUT here is the interesting news.

Found hidden away by someone (not me) from easy view on the public report on Covid data today.

There are 155 people in critical care wards in Wales as in most recent data (wk ending 23 MAY).

Number with confirmed Covid

NIL
 

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Remember ref Wales it has the highest % of the population vaccinated in the world. Not just the UK.

Those not wanting a vaccination still should ask if that is coincidence.

Looks like about as much proof that you need that these are the exit door from this mess.
 
Remember ref Wales it has the highest % of the population vaccinated in the world. Not just the UK.

Those not wanting a vaccination still should ask if that is coincidence.

Looks like about as much proof that you need that these are the exit door from this mess.

I don't understand how Wales are ahead, but *if* it's that alone which is driving their better numbers, then all will be well, and soon.

The rest of the UK is only a couple of weeks behind.

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Data from Paul Mainwood

 
Not being vaccinated is your choice, as long as you’re not spreading lies about it, people shouldn’t have a problem with your views. That is, to a point.

But have you ever considered the fact that not being vaccinated means that if you do contract what you haven’t been vaccinated against, you not only run the risk of you getting seriously ill or dying from it but also you run the risk of it mutating and when you spread it to others they have a greater chance of getting seriously ill or dying, or wider populations of people do?

This vaccine isn’t a new technology. The WHO, pharmaceutical companies and world leading universities have been testing DNA vaccines since the early 90s. In 2007 the WHO organisation released reports on the safety guidelines for DNA vaccines

In 2008 clinical trials were put forward for the safety of DNA vaccines to use in real world scenarios with humans, with reference to studies from 1993 saying “These trials [from 1993] demonstrated that the DNA vaccine platform is well tolerated and safe, as no adverse events were reported and all studies went to completion”

And they have been used in real world vaccines since 2013 (USA flu recombinant vaccines)
and in other vaccines since then.

Ignore these lies about this being a new technology, there are many many studies you can find going back three decades on this kind of vaccine science.
Good post.

The first link you've provided isn't a report on the safety guidelines, it's effectively the equivalent of what news aggregators do. They've simply re-written the existing guidelines and loosely quoted them. These points form the basis of a pre-clinical regulatory submission and don't really differ from what has been done with non-biologicals for years and years. To my knowledge no regulators liaise with WHO regarding regulatory decisions, though they do feed into various forums for improvement.
 
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