Coronavirus (2021) thread

[inbetween]

Im completely in favour of and understand the vaccine is working thankfully. What im saying is cases are rising and I'm hearing of it from my friends for the first time in about three months. My mate works at Tameside Hospital and they reopened the Covid ward a few weeks ago.

Just typing this outside a company I do work for and one of the Directors has just told me a third member of staff is now isolating after testing positive, double jabbed, the other 2 had no jabs. It's definitely on the rise.

Bolton is a great example of what's probably going to happen in a lot of places. There was a huge spike there but now that spike has gone and cases rates are amongst the lowest I believe in GM. There has been no lockdown though and there is nothing that could cause this other than local efforts to get vaccines into people.

The US has seen a very similar pattern, there have been no restrictions in most states there for months yet cases spiked and now are falling. Popular tourist destinations in Florida don't even have social distancing or masks anymore.

This is in Las Vegas a month ago.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The thing is, the estimated 20,000 ticketless Scots who went to London weren’t breaking any rules regarding travelling as far as I know. Thousands of ticketless City fans travelled to Porto a few weeks ago so I’m not sure we’re in a position to complain.
I do think there is a discussion worth having regarding football fans and sports fans in general being allowed to attend events in their tens of thousands, while parents are barred from seeing their kids competing in school sports days. I’m a football fan and I don’t have kids but even I can see that that doesn’t seem particularly fair.

Absolutely agree. The sight of the blues in Porto and the Scotland fans in London made me feel slightly uncomfortable, but what irks me is that there's been several events like this (England fans pre Germany match the other night?) but the Scotland fans have been hung, drawn and quartered for their attendance. You can't just pick and choose would be my thoughts - It can't be ok to criticise Scots jumping about in London but feel it's perfectly OK to have a busy Wimbledon arena with the roof covered.

It becomes classist, and inevitably the working class end up turning on their own because that's how life works unfortunately.

Either things are ok or they aren't, in which case cancel all trains, have motorway police check points and all the rest of it if they didn't want people travelling in numbers.

 

[RobMCFC]

You can't just pick and choose would be my thoughts - It can't be ok to criticise Scots jumping about in London but feel it's perfectly OK to have a busy Wimbledon arena with the roof covered.

The main difference is that at Wimbledon, you don't see three or four fans in adjacent seats hugging each other, breathing in each other's faces when Federer pulls off a glorious drop-shot.

I think now it's as much about how people act than where they are.

All things being equal, outside is far better than being inside.
Being outside and not applying basic hygiene/distancing is just plain stupid.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We can't therefore compare this wave now to that in the winter or last year because the testing methodology is completely different

The idea that this wave is test driven just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The first wave was completely different, but we're not doing that much more testing than we were in January.

The current wave is real - deciding how to respond to it should be driven by reality, not wishful thinking on testing IMO.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

For most people at the moment they'll either of had a vaccine or had COVID (or both) and that should be enough to bat the virus away in a future infection.

It won't stop cases but case numbers are artificially inflated at the moment because of the shear fact that we are testing a lot of people, many of which don't even have symptoms. We can't therefore compare this wave now to that in the winter or last year because the testing methodology is completely different.

If you look at India at the moment, you'd think how is it correct that India has 50,000 cases per day whilst seeing clearly well over 2,000 deaths per day? It's all because of testing. They likely truly have hundreds of thousands of cases per day and I bet we did at one point in January (despite the figures saying otherwise).

You may think other Countries are under reporting and that may well be the case. Saying our figures are inflated because we report the cases we find doesn’t make sense.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The main difference is that at Wimbledon, you don't see three or four fans in adjacent seats hugging each other, breathing in each other's faces when Federer pulls off a glorious drop-shot.

I think now it's as much about how people act than where they are.

All things being equal, outside is far better than being inside.
Being outside and not applying basic hygiene/distancing is just plain stupid.

They were doing that in the 5th set of Andy Murray’s game last night.

 

[Dage]

As today, there are more infections in the UK than in all of the EU combined. Gloomy outlook.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Bolton is a great example of what's probably going to happen in a lot of places. There was a huge spike there but now that spike has gone and cases rates are amongst the lowest I believe in GM.

Case rates in Bolton local authority area from govt dashboard. I don't think this can be described as a spike that has gone?



Causing hospital admissions of perhaps a third of previous peak (Bolton NHS Trust, no idea if these are exactly the same area)



Clearly nowhere near as bad as last two waves, but equally not trivial.

[Link for source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/det...tion Trust#card-patients_admitted_to_hospital]

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The main difference is that at Wimbledon, you don't see three or four fans in adjacent seats hugging each other, breathing in each other's faces when Federer pulls off a glorious drop-shot.

I think now it's as much about how people act than where they are.

All things being equal, outside is far better than being inside.
Being outside and not applying basic hygiene/distancing is just plain stupid.

Agree to an extent, but they're still shouting and all the rest of it, so are we saying hugging isn't ok but lots of people shouting in immediate vicinity of each other is fine? I'm not having a go, but where is the line and why would Scotland (or other) fans hugging each other outside be less safe than shouting in a closed tennis arena or a 3/4 full Wembley stadium or whatever it was the other night. I think the way the media portray situations feeds into people's thought process without stopping for a second to consider if we're being a bit over the top sometimes.

As a side note, the change in tone from both the Scottish and UK governments themselves in recent weeks, even throughout the Euros and all that's gone on, leads me to think that they're trying to force herd immunity through this summer and passively encouraging infections in younger age groups in the here and now. Not suggesting that's either right or wrong and I'm sure others will have suggested similar and some will see it differently.

 

[ell]

The thing is, the estimated 20,000 ticketless Scots who went to London weren’t breaking any rules regarding travelling as far as I know. Thousands of ticketless City fans travelled to Porto a few weeks ago so I’m not sure we’re in a position to complain.
I do think there is a discussion worth having regarding football fans and sports fans in general being allowed to attend events in their tens of thousands, while parents are barred from seeing their kids competing in school sports days. I’m a football fan and I don’t have kids but even I can see that that doesn’t seem particularly fair.

Is this not the stupidity of some of the rules though? 20k Scotland fans with no testing travelling to London is surely more dangerous than 20k city fans travelling to Porto all with negative tests and lots needed another test whilst over there. Outbreaks all over Scotland now, whereas the Northern Region of Portugal didn't see any explosion of cases out of sync with the rest of the country.

 

[True_Blue69]

As today, there are more infections in the UK than in all of the EU combined. Gloomy outlook.

And what? Cases mean nothing if barely anyone is getting seriously ill. How do deaths compare to the rest of the EU?

 

[Gabriel]

Agree to an extent, but they're still shouting and all the rest of it, so are we saying hugging isn't ok but lots of people shouting in immediate vicinity of each other is fine? I'm not having a go, but where is the line and why would Scotland (or other) fans hugging each other outside be less safe than shouting in a closed tennis arena or a 3/4 full Wembley stadium or whatever it was the other night. I think the way the media portray situations feeds into people's thought process without stopping for a second to consider if we're being a bit over the top sometimes.

As a side note, the change in tone from both the Scottish and UK governments themselves in recent weeks, even throughout the Euros and all that's gone on, leads me to think that they're trying to force herd immunity through this summer and passively encouraging infections in younger age groups in the here and now. Not suggesting that's either right or wrong and I'm sure others will have suggested similar and some will see it differently.

There’s been enormous attention on so-called super spreader events, understandably, as these things make a spectacle and the media can invariably latch on to these things and blame them for the rise.
As I pointed out before, however, full trains have been heading up to Edinburgh every weekend for weeks, decanting people taking ‘foreign’ breaks away, or going on stag/hen dos. There have probably been far, far more people heading in both directions over the last few weeks now than ever went to Wembley, yet that doesn’t make the news. Similarly, a cursory look at availability on Airbnb and budget hotels in Edinburgh revealed that domestic tourism was quickly gaining momentum.
It’s difficult to say whether this movement has been tacitly encouraged by the authorities or is just a consequence of people having pent up frustrations and money to burn, but either way, it’s brought UK people together in more ways than one.

 

[splinter]

2 weeks till the start of the British grand prix 140,000 fans mingle a day before freedom day..going to feel weird

 

[Manchester33]

As today, there are more infections in the UK than in all of the EU combined. Gloomy outlook.

Cases aren't the scary sight they once were.

I'd also say that we're at the peak of this wave, whereas the EU is (mostly) just beginning. It's probably going to benefit us more in the long run that cases are high now, rather than going into Autumn when seasonal flu picks up.

 

[BlueAnorak]

For most people at the moment they'll either of had a vaccine or had COVID (or both) and that should be enough to bat the virus away in a future infection.

It won't stop cases but case numbers are artificially inflated at the moment because of the shear fact that we are testing a lot of people, many of which don't even have symptoms. We can't therefore compare this wave now to that in the winter or last year because the testing methodology is completely different.

If you look at India at the moment, you'd think how is it correct that India has 50,000 cases per day whilst seeing clearly well over 2,000 deaths per day? It's all because of testing. They likely truly have hundreds of thousands of cases per day and I bet we did at one point in January (despite the figures saying otherwise).

Nearly double according to Zoe. The UK was not in as bad a state then as India is now.
Deaths are at least10-50 times the number currently being reported and cases 1000-10000 times the number.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

There’s been enormous attention on so-called super spreader events, understandably, as these things make a spectacle and the media can invariably latch on to these things and blame them for the rise.
As I pointed out before, however, full trains have been heading up to Edinburgh every weekend for weeks, decanting people taking ‘foreign’ breaks away, or going on stag/hen dos. There have probably been far, far more people heading in both directions over the last few weeks now than ever went to Wembley, yet that doesn’t make the news. Similarly, a cursory look at availability on Airbnb and budget hotels in Edinburgh revealed that domestic tourism was quickly gaining momentum.
It’s difficult to say whether this movement has been tacitly encouraged by the authorities or is just a consequence of people having pent up frustrations and money to burn, but either way, it’s brought UK people together in more ways than one.

Yeah agree with that, and I might be wrong with my guess but it is just that based on my own perception of what's happening and the tone from authorities. The trains to beaches in South West Scotland this week have been rammed, mainly with young adults and teenagers. Again not having a go at them, but barely a word from government on an issue they'd have been all over last summer imo. I might be well out, who knows.

 

[Dage]

Cases aren't the scary sight they once were.

I'd also say that we're at the peak of this wave, whereas the EU is (mostly) just beginning. It's probably going to benefit us more in the long run that cases are high now, rather than going into Autumn when seasonal flu picks up.

That's what I've meant, though. Europe is driving directly into the 4th wave and it's a run to get as most people vaccinated as possible.

 

[BlueAnorak]

As today, there are more infections in the UK than in all of the EU combined. Gloomy outlook.

Cases per test are higher in Spain and Portugal and they are in the UK. They are not testing anything like the numbers we are.
So I doubt your conclusion is in any way correct.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The idea that this wave is test driven just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The first wave was completely different, but we're not doing that much more testing than we were in January.

The current wave is real - deciding how to respond to it should be driven by reality, not wishful thinking on testing IMO.

Were doing double the amount of testing we did in january I'd call that a hell of a lot more testing

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'd also say that we're at the peak of this wave

Interested to hear a rationale for that, given that cases are rising exponentially, have been for weeks, and show no current signs of slowing whatever.

I mean, I'd Like to believe it, but reality and all...