Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Del_Bosque]

If spectators need to be vaccinated to attend Premier League matches will the players need to be too? Or is it a case of one rule for them......?

presumably this is what Delphs post was about yesterday

I’d imagine all the clubs will insist anyway, you wouldnt want to lose players isolaying every other week

 

[BlueAnorak]

Reports coming out from CDC in America that vaccinated people with the delta variant have same viral load as non vaccinated and are asking people to mask up. That said, some scientists are sceptical as too what that actually means as no data has been provided yet. Ffs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/breakthrough-infections-cdc-data/2021/07/28/dcaaa6b2-efce-11eb-a452-4da5fe48582d_story.html

There is viral load and viral load. UK evidence suggests it is much lower in vaccinated people rather than for non vaccinated.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yep.
Compared to all other island nations that have an obvious advantage when it comes to protecting their populations, we're top though.

We're no longer an island nation in terms of Trade - RoRo ferries and trains for lorries pretty much remove the English Channel as defensive barrier. Then you have the problem of Heathrow, one of the world's largest flight transfer hubs.

 

[Essex blue]

CDC wouldn’t mislead?

Dr Fauci the top American advisor to the president wouldn’t lie would he?

Covid 19 might have come from the bats in the wet markets in Wuhan we were told.

Dr Fauci recently faced a senate investigation committee on did American fund research into covid at Wuhan 2 years ago? No he said previous just conspiracy.

Now documents have come to light from Wuhan which he has been questioned on. The documents prove American spent in the region of $25 million dollars specifically to research making covid in bats transmittable into humans as recently as 2019.

Why is the question and why did he lie as he said there is no concrete proof that it was released from the Wuhan Lab.

I’m not saying that is what happened but just please someone tell us the truth about

if anyone wants the link I will try and find it again

 

[lancs blue]

I get that it isn’t easy but to constantly over cook the goose as they do can only lead to the public distrust of their results - which is bad news for science.

Surely they're bound to err on the side of caution with their figures bcause if they underestimate their forecasts and the govt. relaxes restrictions based on underestimates then there's going to be a lot of questions asked if deaths start rising sharply 2-3 weeks later.

 

[Healdplace]

ZOE DATA (TODAY)


PREDICTED DAILY CASES

DOWN by 1179 to 59, 299.

ZOE HAS FLATTENED IN PAST WEEK AND NOW FALLING - FIRST SUB 60K SINCE THE REVAMP

ONGOING SYMPTOMATIC CASES - UP ON ZOE

From 800, 689 to 804, 707 - a rise of 4018 TODAY V 5187 yesterday V 11, 828 yesterday and 16, 056 on the two days before.

The rise in ongoing cases ALSO very clearly falling on Zoe now.

But how much is down to apathy from Zoe App users now restrictions are eased?



Highest watch zones.


1st LONDON FALL from 1162 / 1396 to 1131 / 1363

2nd NORTHERN IRELAND UP from 606 / 1919 to 608 / 1914

3rd NE & YORKS FALL from 995 / 1376 to 994 / 1376


BUT NORTH WEST FALLS AGAIN AND IS OUT OF THE TOP WATCH ZONE

From 854 / 1117 to 838 / 1099



The lowest 2 in UK ARE:-


Wales FALL from 358 / 653 to 323 / 605

AND Best in UK Scotland FALL from 307 / 528 to 300 / 517



GM boroughs are a very mixed bag on Zoe. With ups and downs

Zoe numbers all over the place and look a bit hard to interpret these days despite endless rejigging


GM BOROUGHS: ESTIMATED CASES PER MILLION POPULATION YESTERDAY V TODAY


BOLTON UP 20 983 to 22 150

BURY UP 16, 336 to 17 763

MANCHESTER UP 21, 879 to 22 150

OLDHAM DOWN 8993 to 8969

ROCHDALE DOWN 13, 716 to 13 472

SALFORD UP 12 373 to 13 605

STOCKPORT DOWN 9797 to 8289 - Fallen for a week straight to now second best in GM from worst.

TAMESIDE DOWN big 13 576 to 7003 - Best in GM - if you trust Zoe that is!

TRAFFORD DOWN 12 553 to 12 078

WIGAN DOWN 12 203 to 10 245


CHESHIRE EAST (For Andy) Last few days: - 12 001 - 10 765 - 14 311 - 11 382 - 13 883 TODAY



WYRE (Fleetwood etc) IS THE WORST IN THE NORTH WEST ON 27 429. Higher than Manchester.

LIVERPOOL has been rising in past week and up to 16 662




IF the Zoe data means anything - increasingly hard to be sure it does beyond very general trends.

 

[west didsblue]

We're no longer an island nation in terms of Trade - RoRo ferries and trains for lorries pretty much remove the English Channel as defensuve barrier. Then you have the problem of Heathrow, one of the world's largest flight transfer hubs.

It didn't help that border controls appear to be fixated on illegal immigrants and controls on importing the virus were too little too late. Whilst we were effectively in the EU single market in 2020, all trade came in via specific ports where infection controls could have been put in place much easier than with a land border in the Schengen area, but weren't. Anyway we're now back to being an island nation for trade and have been for 7 months.

 

[andyhinch]

ZOE DATA (TODAY)


PREDICTED DAILY CASES

DOWN by 1179 to 59, 299.

ZOE HAS FLATTENED IN PAST WEEK AND NOW FALLING - FIRST SUB 60K SINCE THE REVAMP

ONGOING SYMPTOMATIC CASES - UP ON ZOE

From 800, 689 to 804, 707 - a rise of 4018 TODAY V 5187 yesterday V 11, 828 yesterday and 16, 056 on the two days before.

The rise in ongoing cases ALSO very clearly falling on Zoe now.

But how much is down to apathy from Zoe App users now restrictions are eased?



Highest watch zones.


1st LONDON FALL from 1162 / 1396 to 1131 / 1363

2nd NORTHERN IRELAND UP from 606 / 1919 to 608 / 1914

3rd NE & YORKS FALL from 995 / 1376 to 994 / 1376


BUT NORTH WEST FALLS AGAIN AND IS OUT OF THE TOP WATCH ZONE

From 854 / 1117 to 838 / 1099



The lowest 2 in UK ARE:-


Wales FALL from 358 / 653 to 323 / 605

AND Best in UK Scotland FALL from 307 / 528 to 300 / 517



GM boroughs are a very mixed bag on Zoe. With ups and downs

Zoe numbers all over the place and look a bit hard to interpret these days despite endless rejigging


GM BOROUGHS: ESTIMATED CASES PER MILLION POPULATION YESTERDAY V TODAY


BOLTON UP 20 983 to 22 150

BURY UP 16, 336 to 17 763

MANCHESTER UP 21, 879 to 22 150

OLDHAM DOWN 8993 to 8969

ROCHDALE DOWN 13, 716 to 13 472

SALFORD UP 12 373 to 13 605

STOCKPORT DOWN 9797 to 8289 - Fallen for a week straight to now second best in GM from worst.

TAMESIDE DOWN big 13 576 to 7003 - Best in GM - if you trust Zoe that is!

TRAFFORD DOWN 12 553 to 12 078

WIGAN DOWN 12 203 to 10 245


CHESHIRE EAST (For Andy) Last few days: - 12 001 - 10 765 - 14 311 - 11 382 - 13 883 TODAY



WYRE (Fleetwood etc) IS THE WORST IN THE NORTH WEST ON 27 429. Higher than Manchester.

LIVERPOOL has been rising in past week and up to 16 662




IF the Zoe data means anything - increasingly hard to be sure it does beyond very general trends.

Thanks

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS

60 with 16 NORTH WEST

Last week 47 with 10, Week before 35 with 9

By region:- 7 East, 7 London, 9 Midlands, 15 NE & Yorkshire, 16 North West, 3 South East, 3 South West

By age: 7 (aged 40 - 59), 26 (aged 60 - 79) and 27 (aged 80 PLUS)


North West Deaths:

3 in Pennine Acute, 3 in Stockport, 2 in Tameside, 2 in Wirral, 1 each in East Cheshire, Mid Cheshire, Morecambe, Salford, St Helens, Wigan

 

[BlueAnorak]

Surely they're bound to err on the side of caution with their figures bcause if they underestimate their forecasts and the govt. relaxes restrictions based on underestimates then there's going to be a lot of questions asked if deaths start rising sharply 2-3 weeks later.

The point is the middle range of predictions should reflect the best guess and the best case and worst case predictions should reflect what happens if thing don't pan out. So far actuals have undercut the best case predictions by quite a way on three occasions (though this time, cases were initially higher than the worst case guess but they crashed after the Euros concluded).