Coronavirus (2021) thread

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AlgarveBlu said:
Just been asked if with the new omicron variant whether you can get both the delta and the new variant at the same time assuming the new variant becomes as or more virulent than Delta ? - I have no idea - In the past I understood the Delta variants pushed out the other variants which was because they were fairly similar.

In summary, is it possible to have both variants in circulation and maybe even in your system at the same time and be contagious for both if Delta doesn't get pushed out by omicron eventually?
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The answer is maybe, as we don't know yet. It's down to whether our antibodies can react to Omicron as if it were Delta (I think). Both the below are very, very basic ways of thinking about this:

Best case scenario: Both compete with each other, and Omicron is mild. Being more spreadable, Omicron (the milder variant) will eventually effectively eliminate the more potent Delta because everyone who gets infected gets infected with Omicron first and our antibodies are able to brush off Delta. Big step forwards.

Worst case scenario: They don't compete and Omicron is actually severe. In which case we've now got two potent COVIDs effectively, with one of them being super transmissible which nobody has the prepared immunity for.

And all in between!
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Just been asked if with the new omicron variant whether you can get both the delta and the new variant at the same time assuming the new variant becomes as or more virulent than Delta ? - I have no idea - In the past I understood the Delta variants pushed out the other variants which was because they were fairly similar.

In summary, is it possible to have both variants in circulation and maybe even in your system at the same time and be contagious for both if Delta doesn't get pushed out by omicron eventually?
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yes it's possible. And then you get the possibility of recombinant mutation where in the process of replication of each viruses RNA, then RNA gets jumbled up ... hence recombinant. It's one of the ways variants could form but the way that the worst variants have formed is through infection of immune compromised patients who can't fight off the infection. Alpha, Beta and Omicron are thought to have formed in that way.
 
Don't know whether it's been covered or not but the BBC are reporting that 13 players of Belenenses have tested positive for Omicron after a player returned from SA. 13! Portugal has one of the highest double vaccination rates in the world.
 
Marvin said:
Don't know whether it's been covered or not but the BBC are reporting that 13 players of Belenenses have tested positive for Omicron after a player returned from SA. 13! Portugal has one of the highest double vaccination rates in the world.
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They were the only cases in Portugal too.
 
Marvin said:
Don't know whether it's been covered or not but the BBC are reporting that 13 players of Belenenses have tested positive for Omicron after a player returned from SA. 13! Portugal has one of the highest double vaccination rates in the world.
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It will be interesting to know if they were vaccinated yet being younger.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
either the first 2 jabs work, in which case you don't need a booster, or they don't, in which case why would anyone have a dud vaccine to just end up in the same place in "we advised a minimum of 6 but now we have the chance let's make it 3 so we can stick more needles in people to show we're doing something".

No proof the booster works on Optimus Prime or whatever it's called, and if you've already had 2 mRNA why would you have a third in half the time you were told was the minimum it would work for? Plus, if you're a young male, why would you increase your risk of myocarditis (and vaccine dependency) from yet another mRNA jab when the current one you were told would still be working by this point?

Science doesn't add up so I expect the uptake will be poor the younger you get.
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I agree I’m not having a booster, how can it go from 6 to 3 months and deemed safe

also didn’t witty and co say kids can have it but some other group said no
 
mccity said:
The answer is maybe, as we don't know yet. It's down to whether our antibodies can react to Omicron as if it were Delta (I think). Both the below are very, very basic ways of thinking about this:

Best case scenario: Both compete with each other, and Omicron is mild. Being more spreadable, Omicron (the milder variant) will eventually effectively eliminate the more potent Delta because everyone who gets infected gets infected with Omicron first and our antibodies are able to brush off Delta. Big step forwards.

Worst case scenario: They don't compete and Omicron is actually severe. In which case we've now got two potent COVIDs effectively, with one of them being super transmissible which nobody has the prepared immunity for.

And all in between!
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Yes we do know.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.05.238386v1
 
Hutchymcfc said:
I agree I’m not having a booster, how can it go from 6 to 3 months and deemed safe

also didn’t witty and co say kids can have it but some other group said no
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It was 6 months for supply reasons and when antibodies were down by a certain amount. Now the scientists believe keeping antibodies higher will help combat omicron.

I’m sure someone else will be thankful for yours.
 
I'm waiting for my booster, can't wait to have it.
Not because I'm a "sheep" etc etc (far from it!) but because the vaccines have worked brilliantly so far and I'm not seeing pictures of dead health workers, dead pregnant women or young mums, dead early middle aged men (who had nothing wrong with them before Covid) or dead kids, on the news.
That to me is a result.
 
west didsblue said:
It was 6 months for supply reasons and when antibodies were down by a certain amount. Now the scientists believe keeping antibodies higher will help combat omicron.

I’m sure someone else will be thankful for yours.
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Where does it say it was a supply issue, I’m reading a finding from a expert should be min 5 months
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The 6 months was based on efficacy not safety.

But you're not interested in the facts, are you?
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Yeah, it was never to do with safety.

While we’re on the topic, I’m still not sure why I was invited for my booster in October just 4 and a half months after my second jab. I put it down to an administrative error but the receptionist at my doctor’s surgery said it was fine and loads of others had questioned it too. This was then corroborated by the nurse who I saw when I popped in for my health check a couple of weeks later so God knows what all that was about!
 
Hutchymcfc said:
I agree I’m not having a booster, how can it go from 6 to 3 months and deemed safe

also didn’t witty and co say kids can have it but some other group said no
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6 months wasn’t a safety issue. It was a necessity issue. After 6 months is when the 2nd jab is supposed to start to dip in effectiveness. There was no real point to do it before 6 months but now they want to just get as many people done as possible as fast as possible.

I appear to have been beaten too it :)
 
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