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Congratulations and good decision.
Coronavirus (2022) thread
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Invisible Man's Bandage
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The Telegraph is reporting that Sunak and a majority of the cabinet are in favour of reducing isolation to five days (they are more or less on the money when they lead with things like this). It makes sense to me as people with Omicron are most transmissible in the two days before they know they have it and the two days after they know. As cases as so high anyway it doesn't matter if a very small proportion could still give it to others after five days.
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The main issue is that it’ll be dependent on providing 2 negative lateral flows, which is highly unlikely within that 5 day period. I had practically fuck all symptoms yet still took until day 8 before I gave out a negative.
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The other factor is will workers still report sick for a week if they catch Covid. I don’t know the answer but if peole caught the flu they would probably be off for a week. Therefore I am not siren this proposed would greatly increase workforce capacity.
That said, if the scientists say 5 days is better then the change should be made but I don’t if they will or not.
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5 days is fine, assuming people tell the truth about when symptoms started, and that they then remove the need for negative lateral flows. We have to live with this now.
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I think the vast majority of people are living with it already mate. For some reason, we have sections of the media and some politicians who keep saying we are in a lockdown. Some also seem to have a political axes to grind with the NHS aid health and social care workers .
Fingers crossed, we are getting through the last significant wave of the virus.
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Coronavirus will make the next three months difficult but "we can see the end in sight", according to a World Health Organisation official.
Special envoy on COVID-19 Dr David Nabarro said he expects the virus will continue to evolve into new variants and "there's no scope for major restrictions in any country, particularly poor countries".
"People have just got to keep working and so there are some very tough choices for politicians right now," he said.
"It's going to be difficult for the next three months at least."
Special envoy on COVID-19 Dr David Nabarro said he expects the virus will continue to evolve into new variants and "there's no scope for major restrictions in any country, particularly poor countries".
"People have just got to keep working and so there are some very tough choices for politicians right now," he said.
"It's going to be difficult for the next three months at least."
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People with high levels of T cells from common colds are less likely to catch COVID, according to a new peer-reviewed study.
Imperial College London research said the high levels of T cells and the role in fighting COVID is an "important discovery" - but warned "no one should rely on this alone" and insisted people should still get vaccinated as the "best way" to protect against COVID.
Imperial College London research said the high levels of T cells and the role in fighting COVID is an "important discovery" - but warned "no one should rely on this alone" and insisted people should still get vaccinated as the "best way" to protect against COVID.
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Congratulations on the arrival of your baby boy. Glad both him and mum are doing well.
Yep, a terrible story, although since been told she did get to hold her baby initially, before she fell ill with Covid in the hospital.
Still so sad.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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I’m still positive (most unlike me) after 7 days so no benefit to me. I’d imagine it will only be completely asymptomatic contacts who will test negative at day 5, if anyone.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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A cautionary tale indeed and as disappointing as it is unnecessary. It has been highlighted as a huge risk since the summer and should act as a reminder for all pregnant women to get vaxxed asap. As callous as it may sound, thanks for sharing, as the more stories like this are told the more likely we are to see people make different choices.
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There was a lot of discussion about this early on while people were trying to explain the range and severity of symptoms. I assume the "common cold" is actually limited to just the 3/4 Coronavirus strains that form part of the common cold family though.
Good to see people are still looking into it.
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From the BBC
Asked about mandatory vaccination for NHS staff, Johnson says there are 18,000 people currently in hospital with Covid, which is "massively up", with the numbers increasing.
A sizeable percentage - 30% or more - of those patients have caught Covid in hospital, he says, before calling it "not acceptable".
Unless Boris has his figures wrong, 30%+ catching it in hospital is quite shocking.
Asked about mandatory vaccination for NHS staff, Johnson says there are 18,000 people currently in hospital with Covid, which is "massively up", with the numbers increasing.
A sizeable percentage - 30% or more - of those patients have caught Covid in hospital, he says, before calling it "not acceptable".
Unless Boris has his figures wrong, 30%+ catching it in hospital is quite shocking.
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No surprise. Infection control in the NHS has been dire for 30 years.
Catching bugs in hospitals is nothing new sadly.
Very sad, if someone influenced her they should feel the shame.
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Ikea cuts sick pay for unvaccinated staff forced to self-isolate
The retail giant joins a growing list of firms changing their rules as staff absences and costs begin to bite.
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My mate was a patient transfer worker at Tameside Hospital when the pandemic started, whilst the medical staff were all PPE’d up he got a bog standard blue mask. He caught Covid very early and passed to his wife who became very ill.
There was a dedicated Covid ward but that soon filled up so Covid patients were placed in any given ward, consequently many non Covid patients ended up with the virus. The same has happened again recently, nowhere near the number of deaths though.
My mate still works at the hospital now emptying the medical bins, in and out of the hospital but still the standard blue mask.
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The England hospital numbers over the weekend are out early (though today's numbers will come later and these are always a big day each week as patients come in who waited the weekend to present).
They are VERY encouraging.
The full data is on the data thread now if you want to take a look at the details.
But the highlights:
Patients UP FRI/SAT/SUN by just 236 in the sequence 16,163 - 16,034 - 16,399
It is only up 1355 in 5 days after 2000 in the two days before that and looks to have slowed a lot. Largely due to London and the southern regions that have slowed markedly or fallen over those days.
North West is rising and topped 3000 patients over the weekend after a rise of 100 yesterday.
But NE & Yorkshire is now the fastest rising region and were up nearly 200 over the weekend.
Better still the ventilator numbers fell 728 to 704 over the weekend close to the 600s for first time in weeks.
These also are likely to rise on a Monday but it is very clear that as thousands of cases and hundress of patients were going in day by day over past weeks that there is no coincident rise in ventilated patients as yet and that is a very dramatic difference from previous waves where there was by now.
Omicron's behaviour and the success of the vaccines seem to be the reasons why. With the caveat that cases are only just filtering into the older population at any number (care home outbreaks are the great unspoken story out there which the media need to pick up on) and that might change the path as it sees to be growing. But hopefully not.
They are VERY encouraging.
The full data is on the data thread now if you want to take a look at the details.
But the highlights:
Patients UP FRI/SAT/SUN by just 236 in the sequence 16,163 - 16,034 - 16,399
It is only up 1355 in 5 days after 2000 in the two days before that and looks to have slowed a lot. Largely due to London and the southern regions that have slowed markedly or fallen over those days.
North West is rising and topped 3000 patients over the weekend after a rise of 100 yesterday.
But NE & Yorkshire is now the fastest rising region and were up nearly 200 over the weekend.
Better still the ventilator numbers fell 728 to 704 over the weekend close to the 600s for first time in weeks.
These also are likely to rise on a Monday but it is very clear that as thousands of cases and hundress of patients were going in day by day over past weeks that there is no coincident rise in ventilated patients as yet and that is a very dramatic difference from previous waves where there was by now.
Omicron's behaviour and the success of the vaccines seem to be the reasons why. With the caveat that cases are only just filtering into the older population at any number (care home outbreaks are the great unspoken story out there which the media need to pick up on) and that might change the path as it sees to be growing. But hopefully not.