Corruption in English football?

[Deleted member 77198]

If I were being cynical here I might look at the odds against a City victory in these games...

Good point.

The odds at the weekend were strange, bookies must have lost a fortune with those 3-1 and 16/5 United-win odds. Bet they thought they were going to dupe a load of money out of loads of people putting on a United win, with City winning or drawing the game.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Power cut at Molineux means no VAR for the Wolves-Liverpool FA Cup replay (just like the end of first match).

Mariner gives the first yellow to a Wolves player despite Liverpool having more fouls (with more not even called), of which 3 or 4 are from Milner alone.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I think the question is missing the point. The premier league aren't the masters of this...

There's a web of corruption of many different competing interests - bookies, agents, owners execs, refs and players probably more.

There isn't one tune that everyone is dancing to

Absolutely. People assume one malevolent force pushing one aim. Football is so awash with cash there are angles for lots of groups and individuals, with various levers open to them.

Some of it too is soft power or influence as opposed to illegality

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Good thread OP.

Its about time we (football fans) started to make more noise about this. It seems corrupt as fuck and there should be more transparency in officiating games.

- mic up the refs
- post match debrief by the officials regarding contentious decisions

Simple to implement and would lift the veil of secrecy

 

[SebastianBlue]

Absolutely. People assume one malevolent force pushing one aim. Football is so awash with cash there are angles for lots of groups and individuals, with various levers open to them.

Some of it too is soft power or influence as opposed to illegality

Again, Premier League is a catch all for various interested entities, as there is a character limit on poll questions and “is football corrupt” is far too broad a question (that would get near 100% affirming responses, thus isn’t a particularly useful poll).

I have written a few lengthy posts over the last few days regarding how corruption usually actually develops and sustains—it is usually a much looser, but still interconnected network of bad decisions that then gain so much momentum that it becomes systematic and the various people involved (often not even aware of other people also trapped in cycles of poor decisions contributing to the overall corruption) see no way out, so they just continue it. And, over time, it becomes the norm, it builds further as new people are recruited in to the scheme as a matter of necessity, until it usually finally collapses under the sheer weight of the fraud and is exposed.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Can a mod please share the results of the poll.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Again, Premier League is a catch all for various interested entities, as there is a character limit on poll questions and “is football corrupt” is far too broad a question (that would get near 100% affirming responses, thus isn’t a particularly useful poll).

I have written a few lengthy posts over the last few days regarding how corruption usually actually develops and sustains—it is usually a much looser, but still interconnected network of bad decisions that then gain so much momentum that it becomes systematic and the various people involved (often not even aware of other people also trapped in cycles of poor decisions contributing to the overall corruption) see no way out, so they just continue it. And, over time, it becomes the norm, it builds further as new people are recruited in to the scheme as a matter of necessity, until it usually finally collapses under the sheer weight of the fraud and is exposed.

Wasn’t commenting on your poll title mate! Personally think the thread title is the correct way to describe it tho (if I was)

 

[SebastianBlue]

Wasn’t commenting on your poll title mate! Personally think the thread title is the correct way to describe it tho (if I was)

Yeah, I thought about that, as well… but then that would also likely have most answering yes just because of the dodgy lower league goings on!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It is usually a much looser, but still interconnected network of bad decisions that then gain so much momentum that the become systematic and the various people involved (often not even aware of other people also trapped in cycles of poor decisions contributing to the overall corruption) see no way out, so they just continue it. And, over time, it builds, until it usually finally collapses under the sheer weight of the fraud and is exposed.

Precisely - Often people who get caught up in corruption start with something small like a minor rules infringement, and someone finds out, then they get asked for a favour for perhaps a small financial reward, and then the rewards on offer get bigger, and then it becomes all about preserving reputation and saving face... and before you know it you are the head of FIFA and owned by the Mafia.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Yeah, I thought about that, as well… but then that would also likely have most answering yes just because of the dodgy lower league goings on!

Earlier in the thread there’s an exchange between me and another poster to the effect that they accept that football is bent, but not English football :-)