Corruption in English football?

Earlier in the thread there’s an exchange between me and another poster to the effect that they accept that football is bent, but not English football :-)
That’s exactly the sort of conversations I have had, except it’s mostly “yeah, the Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, and German top divisions are bent but not the Premier League—it is squeaky clean!”.
 
That’s exactly the sort of conversations I have had, except it’s mostly “yeah, the Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, and German top divisions are bent but not the Premier League—it is squeaky clean!”.
Yup. The rationale appears to be there’s no tangible evidence to suggest English football is….but if you don’t go looking for it and that keeps everyone earning that’s not surprising
 
Yup. The rationale appears to be there’s no tangible evidence to suggest English football is….but if you don’t go looking for it and that keeps everyone earning that’s not surprising
A case in point. Renowned pundit responding to Mark Halsey’s public (now deleted!) comments. Did anyone look into into prima facie first hand evidence of potentially corrupt practices…….29925ECC-97B1-4626-91C5-C1E683BCB3FA.png
 
Favourable cup draws have been debated for years. There have been some VERY strange cup draws down the years. The Carabao cup draw were us, the Rag's and DIpper's all avoided each other in the quarter final draw springs to mind.
Wasn't there a season when Arsenal, sponsored by Emirates, were drawn against two non-league teams in the FA Cup which was also sponsored by Emirates?
 
A case in point. Renowned pundit responding to Mark Halsey’s public (now deleted!) comments. Did anyone look into into prima facie first hand evidence of potentially corrupt practices…….View attachment 66317
The fact that Halsey's comments on changing a match report were significant for us because it meant Sergio could be retrospectively banned and miss the Derby cannot be understated.
 
For me it's the murk and silence around the issue of corruption that stands out

Football is a big money business. Has been for decades. That undoubtedly attracts people who want to profit from it. Attempts must have been made to divert the course of a game, decisions, free kicks, corners and the big stuff like the actual result and red cards.

But, beyond the premier leagues general statement on endeavouring to stand against corruption, both the premier league and fa are so incredibly silent on this issue that they'd have you believe it is not a problem and they never encounter it.

If that it so, what practices do they have in place to check? They won't say. Do they have a whistleblower programme? Have the successfully thwarted attempts on the past? Do they talk about new threats and precautions?

At the end of the day it's an organisation that governs and effectively audits itself. Its inevitable that at some point somebody within that circle has stood to personally profit from a situation. Actually if you look into the FA's history it's a damning fact that it happened repeatedly from the 19th century, and people in those positions now all know each other very, very well. It's likely that at least on one occasion they went through with it in the premier league era too.

This is before we even look at the evidence on the pitch, the off decisions, quick rule changes, lack of var TV screens in certain circumstances. Or the frankly morally bankrupt comments from scudamore a few years back about it being their job to ensure a new winner every few years. Competitiveness yes absolutely. But winners? How are you going to actually do that if a team or selected teams are consistently better than each other? Was it a policy when United, arsenal and Chelsea were the winners year after year?

But let's not just look at the English leagues. Italy is know for it, others too, and if our league is supposedly the best and most money generating in the world, surely we'd be a target too? Look at uefa changing the rules on how money is split, so even if Liverpool or United fail to qualify for Europe for a decade, they still get payments from uefa from their competition profits because of their 'historical importance' to their competitions. The same ones they tried to jump ship and abandon for a bigger offer in the super league, by the way. These guys are money men, approach them with a way to make more money that requires somebody to be leant on or cut in to turn a blind eye, it's not a problem if the risk is acceptable and the profit worthwhile.


Managing the game is the term I believe, and I also believe there are many fingers in the pie. Not just the referees, it's a strategy from the top. I also believe that much of the anger an opposition to City has been precisely because our rise means one of the jolly fat pigs loses out
 
Of course. EVERYONE has their price, whether it be financial, reputational or threat of harm to oneself or family; literally hundreds of ways an individual can be 'bought'.

The goalkeeper in question has made more than one than one basic error under little or no pressure which has ended up with the ball in the net. I'm not saying for one moment these are indisputable examples of corruption, but surely you can see how it could appear suspicious?

Watch the goal Janmat scored against him... Rooted to the line for some reason and acts like the ball was kicked at 110mph when it literally trickled past him... Fixed match, major players all from the same agency..

I can normally crack a smile at the notion of draw balls being shoved in the microwave, and I believe in coincidence, but in three domestic cup draws we get Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal?

It's funny idea because we're invested in it... But it's a real possibility..

The league cup balls for the draw were cubes until ~2018... Did anyone notice that? We'll believe anything....And a magician wears huge sleeves... Nothing to see here...

They probably wouldn't have changed it if Souness didn't give the game away that time live on tv..
 
For me it's the murk and silence around the issue of corruption that stands out

Football is a big money business. Has been for decades. That undoubtedly attracts people who want to profit from it. Attempts must have been made to divert the course of a game, decisions, free kicks, corners and the big stuff like the actual result and red cards.

But, beyond the premier leagues general statement on endeavouring to stand against corruption, both the premier league and fa are so incredibly silent on this issue that they'd have you believe it is not a problem and they never encounter it.

If that it so, what practices do they have in place to check? They won't say. Do they have a whistleblower programme? Have the successfully thwarted attempts on the past? Do they talk about new threats and precautions?

At the end of the day it's an organisation that governs and effectively audits itself. Its inevitable that at some point somebody within that circle has stood to personally profit from a situation. Actually if you look into the FA's history it's a damning fact that it happened repeatedly from the 19th century, and people in those positions now all know each other very, very well. It's likely that at least on one occasion they went through with it in the premier league era too.

This is before we even look at the evidence on the pitch, the off decisions, quick rule changes, lack of var TV screens in certain circumstances. Or the frankly morally bankrupt comments from scudamore a few years back about it being their job to ensure a new winner every few years. Competitiveness yes absolutely. But winners? How are you going to actually do that if a team or selected teams are consistently better than each other? Was it a policy when United, arsenal and Chelsea were the winners year after year?

But let's not just look at the English leagues. Italy is know for it, others too, and if our league is supposedly the best and most money generating in the world, surely we'd be a target too? Look at uefa changing the rules on how money is split, so even if Liverpool or United fail to qualify for Europe for a decade, they still get payments from uefa from their competition profits because of their 'historical importance' to their competitions. The same ones they tried to jump ship and abandon for a bigger offer in the super league, by the way. These guys are money men, approach them with a way to make more money that requires somebody to be leant on or cut in to turn a blind eye, it's not a problem if the risk is acceptable and the profit worthwhile.


Managing the game is the term I believe, and I also believe there are many fingers in the pie. Not just the referees, it's a strategy from the top. I also believe that much of the anger an opposition to City has been precisely because our rise means one of the jolly fat pigs loses out
The silence is deafening.
It's like pretending that people don't take social dugs in your nightclub, but having a drug bin, then letting the local drug dealer in with his cronies whilst you get a nice little kick back from it, then at your licence renewal telling the panel that you don't have drugs in your venue.
Bent as f***
 

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