Corruption in English football?

[Messi38]

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And lets couple with this statistic, that made 0 sense the Rags should be getting that much pens.

Their fans have been using the argument that Leicester have had more pens in the league this season. But that is more of an outlier than anything, and Vardy, Barnes and Tielemans are tricky players and some of them like simulation. They also don't look at the fact that pens aren't given against them (United). The West Brom game is an example of a game they should have been 1-0 down in but ended up being 1-0 up in thanks to two bad penalty decisions.

Their logic is so flawed and arguments so bad that they're posting graphics showing Liverpool have had more penalties than them in Premier League history. I read one joke of a post on redcafe yesterday where the logic was so bad it was unreal (not uncommon for posters on that dogshit forum), something about Liverpool not being more attacking than West Ham but having double the amount of penalties in the Pl era, and some weird tangent about why did Andy Carroll win fewer pens at West Ham than he did at Liverpool (something he didn't even provide evidence for) . It smacks of fans knowing deep down they're cheats but trying to justify it to themselves. They're also very hypocritical because they spent last season calling Liverpool 'LiVARpool' yet apparently now the shoe is on the other foot and they're the ones being questioned for it by fans they claim there's no such thing as corruption, fucking lol.

Again, Liverpool have been a pretty attacking team most of the time. But more than that, we are talking about the period since VAR was introduced. It's no coincidence that since its introduction, United's penalties have skyrocketed.

They also say that it's because Martial and Rashford are such great dribblers with fast feet, but many of their penalties are not after they have beaten a player and tend to be for a brush of the shoulder or something or a very cheap fall with no contact. Greenwood vs Leipzig for example, a simple shoulder to shoulder, they get disgraceful decisions like that all the time, and crucially any 50 50 they seem to get the benefit of the doubt where others do not. And it almost undid Lepzig's great work that night and it gave United the impetus to almost come back (with a second non-legit goal on the night). If that chance they had at the end would have went in and they'd have got the point they needed it would have been a travesty. And their fans would have looked for any reason to rationalise it in their minds.

Something that United fans are worse for than most fanbases is hypocrisy. They're always saying their players are young and need time to develop (even when they're not THAT young and won't develop anyway, like 23 year old AWB attacking or Martial being almost 26 but still apparently 'potential' and 'green')., but they are happy to quickly write off young players at other clubs as shite (they did it with that Rhys Williams kid at Liverpool, I don't really rate him but he's three years younger than Wan Bissaka so they should at least be consistent in their reasoning).

They definitely train diving and penalty winning.

 

[Blue Mist]

I honestly don't know why people are so averse to thinking corruption is prevalent in football. It's there in less lucrative sports than football, and corruption is a very human thing and pervades every aspect of life and society. It has happened in Serie A and other leagues so why not the richest, most televised league on the planet?

It makes me wonder why I still watch it tbh, probably the very slim hope that I am wrong and the refs are just clueless. But even a monkey could get some of those decisions right that have been gotten wrong. I just know it makes me angry to see United get yet another bollocks penalty but have their fans talk like it is legit and basically demean anyone who calls out this nonsense. It's not just the big decisions like penalties either, it's all the little decisions that add up and serve to demoralise the opposition and revitalise United. For instance being able to kick the opposition constantly without being reprimanded. Or when fred should have been sent off for sticking the head in vs PSG but got away with it. That wouldn't have happened for just about any other club in Europe. The fact the useless **** got himself sent off later on anyway is by the by, he should have been off then.

I think some people think corruption is brown envelopes stuffed with money, nothing else. Corruption is do what we say and then being rewarded with a cup final or the so called big games, rags v dips.

 

[Messi38]

I think some people think corruption is brown envelopes stuffed with money, nothing else. Corruption is do what we say and then being rewarded with a cup final or the so called big games, rags v dips.

I'm not sure whether it is actual physical corruption or implied corruption, but it's obvious to anyone that A LOT goes their way.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Posters like yourselves still deny there is corruption and you always say 'so why doesn't someone speak out'.
Well now someone has, not a man down the pub sat in a corner, not even a bluemoon poster but the manager of the current champions of England. He has basically said that the rags are being given a helping hand through penalties. What would it take to get you to admit that what is happening is bent?

him saying Man Utd have had more penaltys than Liverpool in the last 5 years is a fact of corruption is it ?

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Klopp's intention may have been to draw attention to some of the more dubious spot kicks awarded to Solskjaer's side which have rightly been called into question - like the one Bruno Fernandes won and converted against Aston Villa during Project Restart, despite the Portuguese appearing to initiate contact with Ezri Konsa.

But, as Klopp admitted after the defeat at St. Mary's, so too have Liverpool's players been criticised for going down easily, with the manager referencing Mane's last-minute penalty win against Leicester in the same season.

So while the data can say one thing, it may be a stretch too far to claim United have had an easy ride with referees compared to Liverpool over the last five years '


also, did you do know Man City have had more penalties awarded than Man Utd in the last 5 years.. how do you square that one ?

 

[Blue Mist]

him saying Man Utd have had more penaltys than Liverpool in the last 5 years is a fact of corruption is it ?

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Klopp's intention may have been to draw attention to some of the more dubious spot kicks awarded to Solskjaer's side which have rightly been called into question - like the one Bruno Fernandes won and converted against Aston Villa during Project Restart, despite the Portuguese appearing to initiate contact with Ezri Konsa.

But, as Klopp admitted after the defeat at St. Mary's, so too have Liverpool's players been criticised for going down easily, with the manager referencing Mane's last-minute penalty win against Leicester in the same season.

So while the data can say one thing, it may be a stretch too far to claim United have had an easy ride with referees compared to Liverpool over the last five years '


also, did you do know Man City have had more penalties awarded than Man Utd in the last 5 years.. how do you square that one ?

You have totally twisted klopps interview because you refuse to accept it is corrupt. The Rags have been' looked after' since project restart and Klopp called it as it is-corrupt.
I agree that Liverpool have also been looked after that is not the point. The point is, you demand proof, the manager of the Premier League Champions says it is corrupt and you still deny it !!!!
What would it take for you to accept the game is bent.?

 

[Messi38]

him saying Man Utd have had more penaltys than Liverpool in the last 5 years is a fact of corruption is it ?

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Klopp's intention may have been to draw attention to some of the more dubious spot kicks awarded to Solskjaer's side which have rightly been called into question - like the one Bruno Fernandes won and converted against Aston Villa during Project Restart, despite the Portuguese appearing to initiate contact with Ezri Konsa.

But, as Klopp admitted after the defeat at St. Mary's, so too have Liverpool's players been criticised for going down easily, with the manager referencing Mane's last-minute penalty win against Leicester in the same season.

So while the data can say one thing, it may be a stretch too far to claim United have had an easy ride with referees compared to Liverpool over the last five years '


also, did you do know Man City have had more penalties awarded than Man Utd in the last 5 years.. how do you square that one ?

No offence, but that Fernandes one is just the most blatant, there have been loads of other dubious ones.

Are you seriously telling me if Mane was a United player and that challenge against Southampton happened, it wouldn't have been awarded? Come on now. I'm not gonna defend Liverpool on a City forum but they don't get as soft decisions as United generally. I seen the 'LiVARpool' season and it was nothing like this, and even in that season United got pushed into the top four basically by VAR.

City had more because they've spent more time in the box. It's since VAR came in it's got weird with United.

I don't know why you, as presumably a West Ham fan, come on to another fanbase's forum and play contrarian and try to wind them up.

 

[BlueHammer85]

No offence, but that Fernandes one is just the most blatant, there have been loads of other dubious ones.

Are you seriously telling me if Mane was a United player and that challenge against Southampton happened, it wouldn't have been awarded? Come on now. I'm not gonna defend Liverpool on a City forum but they don't get as soft decisions as United generally. I seen the 'LiVARpool' season and it was nothing like this, and even in that season United got pushed into the top four basically by VAR.

City had more because they've spent more time in the box. It's since VAR came in it's got weird with United.

I don't know why you, as presumably a West Ham fan, come on to another fanbase's forum and play contrarian and try to wind them up.

last line isn't true, i genuinely would like to see actual proof of corruption, i would love to be proved wrong.

That Klopp quote isn't proof.

I want to see actual proof of who specifically is involved at the FA/Officials and what must be a huge amount of people involved in determining that they give Man U dodgy decisions in order to let them win trophys (there doing a bad job of it by the way)

I see ridiculous decisions for and against every team to be honest. I think some are to blind sided with there hatred for United + Liverpool and see 'corruption' in every decision.

Your minds are made up so there's little point debating, but i am very much open to seeing actual concrete proof of corruption - klopp quote and a few soft pens in United's favour isn't enough,

 

[waspish]

It’s so easy to manipulate results now. Any contact in the pen area for a rag player give it it goes to Var and with super slow motion they will find Something to say the evidence isn’t conclusive enough to overturn the referee decision! Now we get a player fouled in the box the referee won’t blow for the pen and the commentator will come out with it’s been looked at and isn’t a pen while not even showing it in super slow motion! So Riley and his mate who has him in his pocket have it to a tee all in broad daylight!

UEFA the fa the premier should change it to only one on ones if a player gets took out should be an actual penalty the rest in the box should be a free kick like when the goalie picks up a ball pass.

 

[Messi38]

last line isn't true, i genuinely would like to see actual proof of corruption, i would love to be proved wrong.

That Klopp quote isn't proof.

I want to see actual proof of who specifically is involved at the FA/Officials and what must be a huge amount of people involved in determining that they give Man U dodgy decisions in order to let them win trophys (there doing a bad job of it by the way)

I see ridiculous decisions for and against every team to be honest. I think some are to blind sided with there hatred for United + Liverpool and see 'corruption' in every decision.

Your minds are made up so there's little point debating, but i am very much open to seeing actual concrete proof of corruption - klopp quote and a few soft pens in United's favour isn't enough,

Not to win United trophies, that is a strawman, it's to keep them relevant ie maintain the top 6 status quo, which has now revved up to the top 2 or 3, and not completely down in mid-table ie 10th.

I'm not saying City have never had a dodgy decision, or even some of them. But it's the sheer frequency with which United get them, can't you see how soft these decisions are?

If you honestly can't see the ludicrous decisions that United get that other clubs don't I just don't know what to tell you. I don't know why you're mentioning Klopp or proof either - the whole idea of corruption is that it is clandestine and won't be able to be proved until brought into the light, which we fans don't have the resources or connections to accomplish.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s so easy to manipulate results now. Any contact in the pen area for a rag player give it it goes to Var and with super slow motion they will find Something to say the evidence isn’t conclusive enough to overturn the referee decision! Now we get a player fouled in the box the referee won’t blow for the pen and the commentator will come out with it’s been looked at and isn’t a pen while not even showing it in super slow motion! So Riley and his mate who has him in his pocket have it to a tee all in broad daylight!

UEFA the fa the premier should change it to only one on ones if a player gets took out should be an actual penalty the rest in the box should be a free kick like when the goalie picks up a ball pass.

or they could just scrap VAR and point at the spot whenever they like, every corner for Man U, players tussling - ref can just award Man U a penalty - would be a lot easier