Corruption in English football?

kaz7 said:
Of course there is corruption in football, we have seen it , i hope i live to see it exposed here in all its gory detail , var has it operating in clear sight , everyone knows it , the decisions the dippers got the last two seasons , as soon as we got banned the helping of the rags to get fifth was nauseating , suddenly all sorts happened in their games , there is no room for doubt imo
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Spot on we’re all talking about the rags “help” this season like it’s a new thing they were placed were
lonestay said:
Easy to say sat in a Bein Studio , he wouldnt be saying that if he was still employed by Sky
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keys is probably the only one to bang the drum about it he’s got an axe to grind with sky and he will definitely know about the dodgy going’s on
 
One thing I’m surprised hasn’t been started is some sort of campaign by fans of all clubs (probably wouldn’t get many from the two favoured clubs) seeking the decision making between the referee and VAR officials to be heard.

They don’t want to do that because it would expose their bias.

Threaten boycotts in the future, walk-outs etc.

Also a group logging all of the decisions and narrative around them keeping the bias in the public eye.

Think of the focus on Sterling after the penalty against Fulham.

Compare that with last night, and numerous other penalties given to the red shirts.

Fan power needs to be harnessed to have any chance of change.
 
Posted these in different threads today but the points stand in this thread.

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
A Rag/Dipper title race is by far and away the biggest money spinner for the PL in terms of worldwide branding and TV rights.

F*cking sick of it. It's blatant. Scudamore himself practically admitted it was bent.
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Pogbad DID kick the defender, and he DID kick his own leg, and he DID dive... BUT, the defender had his hand on his shoulder and when you have pundits (ex players) spewing the narrative 'if he feels contact he's entitled to go down' one game and 'he went down too easy there' in the next game you just know something is very wrong.

BT regularly wheel out Peter Walton to 'explain' why it was or wasn't a penalty, and he just makes sh*t up which generally covers for the on field referee/VAR decision. The corruption is being covered up at the highest levels.
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I still don't believe there is an orchestrated effort to cheat.

I do think that where most people benefit financially (broadcasters/newspapets/social and sports media/big clubs/the PL) is where slight biases come into play. It's more organic than brown envelope stuff.

Eg. Penalty last night.... VAR team is more likely to have impartial utd fans. Sky make more money off utd success so don't dwell on the pen. Utd fans crowd out negativity on social media. News outlets lose money with negative cheating stories (about lfc/utd).and finally ALL football sports news ignore anything about corruption in football lest the gravy train stops.

It's no wonder that teams like utd/juve/rm/bayern are ALWAYS and forever at the top.
 
Stortz said:
Spot on we’re all talking about the rags “help” this season like it’s a new thing they were placed were

keys is probably the only one to bang the drum about it he’s got an axe to grind with sky and he will definitely know about the dodgy going’s on
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He does probably have an Axe still to grind with Sky, but he is sat in a Studio that is on the periphery of football, so he can make statements that are designed to elevate his importance more than for the good of footballs future.
 
There has been corruption in other countries notably Italy and anyone that thinks there isn’t some sort of corruption/favouritism ( towards certain teams )going on is burying their head in the sand...
 
Scottish Cityzen said:
Fan power needs to be harnessed to have any chance of change.
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The game is too tribal unfortunately and supporters lack the desire, will and organisation to do it.

For example I find it difficult to understand why anyone other than followers of the cash cow clubs puts money into Sky, BT etc when the coverage is so shockingly biased.

Media coverage will only change when they are forced to for commercial reasons.
 
It’s been corrupt for decades, look at all the shit Ferguson’s team got away with and the number of pens, added time, etc that always benefitted them. The FA even admitted as much once when Scudamore let slip that the PL “needs a strong Man Utd”. What a horrible thing to behold. Why them? Why not any club, or a group of clubs to make exciting and genuine title races? But for some reason, the FA and PL have decided to market those fucking vermin as the flagship of their ‘product’.

The cheating corrupt cunts need bringing down. And those vile bastards at Trafford need fucking beating and bucket loads of bad luck on and off the pitch. Cunts.
 
Seems our friends from RAWK are of the same view. Lot's of outrage on there about United and decisions against Liverpool in general :) ;)


"We're not unbiased and impartial, right? But the funny thing is that we are all, more or less, in agreement that all this shit is happening, that the other "top" sides (and United in particular) are getting these decisions all over the park, and that the processes are different for us and them - e.g. VAR taking an eternity to make a decision against us, okaying a decision in their favor in no time at all, etc.

The only thing we are really in disagreement about on here is the idea of corruption - the definition of it and whether or not it is present. I mean, there is a handful of posters who are in love with the concept of objectivity and phlegmatic to a fault, but by and large the preponderance of evidence is so massive at this point that there can be no question that we are seeing clearly, despite our bias.

So I guess what I am saying is - what the fuck is going on?"
 
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bluemanchester said:
Is corruption becoming more obvious or is it just supporters moaning about their team not winning. Last night's penalty given to Pogba seems a good as any place to start. Are referees involved in some sort of game control to fix matches. Why were no premier league referees invited to the last major tournament. I would love to hear from anyone who has proof of corruption not just hearsay.
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These people are businessmen. They are not idiots. "Proof" in the form of unequivocal evidence may therefore be difficult to find. The impact of COVID-19 has probably increased their desperation and led to them being a little less circumspect than they might otherwise have been.

Instinct, however, is another thing - eg last nights rag penalty decision. Given in real time with no way to review what happened - well perhaps you could understand the decision. But VAR reviewed and then still given? Wow.

And instinct tells me that there are moves afoot to ensure that whichever outcome delivers the highest revenues (eg a "successful" rags and a Cash Cow<>Cash Cow "rivalry") is the one that will prevail. This season and for many more to come.
 
And here is another one from RAWK :0 :)

I think, by and large, decisions that go against us have always been met with sniggering or out and out laughter by fans of other clubs, pundits and journos. If not laughter then at least excused. When was the last time you remember anyone saying “that’s cost them the game” about a decision against us? Even by supposedly “red” pundits. It’s usually “you can’t blame the refs for dropping points” when it comes to us, but compare that to the outrage/condemnation when certain other teams are fucked over.

People have said that we’re too nice. I don’t think it’s the club or even the fans, we just don’t have many/any cheerleaders in the media. The only one we really had was Thompson, but when he used to point out stuff that went against us those gurning simpletons on that awful Sky program used to put on fake laughs and tell him he was cracking up. They’d then go into moan about a much less significant decision that went against their club.

It all goes to making refs feel a bit safer about giving the marginal decisions against us. They know they won’t come under much scrutiny, 5 seconds on it with a smirking Gary Lineker will be all the attention it gets.

It’s got worse since we became champions, we had a few people with us last year as “breaking the 30 year hoodoo” was a big story. Be under no illusions that the next thing they want to push is “it might be 30 years till they win it again if they keep drawing/losing these types of games”.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Seems our friends from RAWK are of the same view. Lot's of outrage on there about United and decisions against Liverpool in general :) ;)


"We're not unbiased and impartial, right? But the funny thing is that we are all, more or less, in agreement that all this shit is happening, that the other "top" sides (and United in particular) are getting these decisions all over the park, and that the processes are different for us and them - e.g. VAR taking an eternity to make a decision against us, okaying a decision in their favor in no time at all, etc.

The only thing we are really in disagreement about on here is the idea of corruption - the definition of it and whether or not it is present. I mean, there is a handful of posters who are in love with the concept of objectivity and phlegmatic to a fault, but by and large the preponderance of evidence is so massive at this point that there can be no question that we are seeing clearly, despite our bias.

So I guess what I am saying is - what the fuck is going on?"
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This season Liverpool have had a mixture of decisions, prior to this season they got everything but now, they have lost points in games where VAR hasn’t done its job.

They’ve obviously decided to now help the Rags get there. Even Championship fans are gobsmacked about the decisions they’re getting.

A rag in a stag group chat I’m in was laughing about how “lucky” they are.

Everyone can see it.

A director at work who supports Preston thinks it’s subconscious bias in their favour, that referees favour them without realising because of who they are and now they’ve got a chance.

I think it’s rigged.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
And here is another one from RAWK :0 :)

I think, by and large, decisions that go against us have always been met with sniggering or out and out laughter by fans of other clubs, pundits and journos. If not laughter then at least excused. When was the last time you remember anyone saying “that’s cost them the game” about a decision against us? Even by supposedly “red” pundits. It’s usually “you can’t blame the refs for dropping points” when it comes to us, but compare that to the outrage/condemnation when certain other teams are fucked over.

People have said that we’re too nice. I don’t think it’s the club or even the fans, we just don’t have many/any cheerleaders in the media. The only one we really had was Thompson, but when he used to point out stuff that went against us those gurning simpletons on that awful Sky program used to put on fake laughs and tell him he was cracking up. They’d then go into moan about a much less significant decision that went against their club.

It all goes to making refs feel a bit safer about giving the marginal decisions against us. They know they won’t come under much scrutiny, 5 seconds on it with a smirking Gary Lineker will be all the attention it gets.

It’s got worse since we became champions, we had a few people with us last year as “breaking the 30 year hoodoo” was a big story. Be under no illusions that the next thing they want to push is “it might be 30 years till they win it again if they keep drawing/losing these types of games”.
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Either that person is completely delusional or I am.
 
Ribchester said:
We might benefit from this latest farce on Wednesday I expect rags will have negotiated a deal to sacrifice the league cup for a share of the EPL, if only to distract and undermine the case for the humble and fair amongst us
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Nah, when you are on the wrong side of the law, you feel the need to steal everything out of the bank
 
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