COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Chippy_boy]

I reckon the outbreak is due to a fuck up at the Wuhan virus lab. Nothing intentional, just a fuck up like the scientist knocking over the flask at the start of the original Survivors TV show.

Appropriate user name for such nonsense.

 

[kaz7]

To be honest I am not sure that is the important question. Superficially at least, this is a respiratory infection, so it's extremely puzzling why it should be so much more fatal in people who have a BMI over 25, or type 2 Diabetes, for example. Understanding how and why it kills people - and some people but not others - is key to understanding how to treat it.

A dr explained it this morning,if you are obese you have reduced lung fuction because your internal fat is pushing on your lungs so it is harder to breathe to start with before the virus gets in there,if you have ever seen an obses person trying to walk they are usual panting a bit

 

[marco]

rat face coming up on sky news in a few minutes,should be good

 

[worsleyweb]

I reckon the outbreak is due to a fuck up at the Wuhan virus lab. Nothing intentional, just a fuck up like the scientist knocking over the flask at the start of the original Survivors TV show.
The genetics are all wrong for wet market transfer.
Anyway here's what the Bat Lady used to do to get virus samples.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...wn-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
She went missing during the initial outbreak in Wuhan. Is she dead or in prison? Who knows. The CCP lie for breakfast, lunch, tea, supper and dinner so we'll never know for sure.

Totally agree.

 

[worsleyweb]

rat face coming up on sky news in a few minutes,should be good

Who is rat face? Yes

 

[kaz7]

Who is rat face? Yes

Gary neville
You are back,hurrah

 

[marco]

Who is rat face? Yes

neville,his opinon on football getting started after the break

 

[BlueAnorak]

To be honest I am not sure that is the important question. Superficially at least, this is a respiratory infection, so it's extremely puzzling why it should be so much more fatal in people who have a BMI over 25, or type 2 Diabetes, for example. Understanding how and why it kills people - and some people but not others - is key to understanding how to treat it.

BMI is just a Corrolation. Diabetes and High Blood Pressure are the issues.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I suppose there's lots of ways of defining capacity though. If you don't send people to hospital who need to go or take too long to send them then the NHS might not get, by one definition, be overwhelmed in terms of its capacity but you'll get lots of excess mortality outside of a hospital setting.

That’s a good point Fame Monster. I have a mate who was undergoing chemotherapy and he had his appointment cancelled. Likewise, another mate rehabilitating from a stroke. In addition, more people could have been put off going to hospital (for a variety of conditions except Covid 19) knowing how contagious the Coronavirus is. A real test is now getting the range of clinical services back up and running.

I still think capacity has coped relatively well given the dreadful circumstances. However, the NHS and Government do exaggerate that capacity a bit with the Nightingale hospitals,!by quoting unoccupied beds stats when we don’t have the staff to meet a big rise in demand in these hospitals.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

So were the government slow as Keir Stramer suggested at the start and would a quicker response saved lives?

 

[kaz7]

So were the government slow as Keir Stramer suggested at the start and would a quicker response saved lives?

Yes

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Yes

I agree but would say it's a pandemic and I'm not sure any government could know what has hit us.
All countries haven't been perfect in their response.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

So were the government slow as Keir Stramer suggested at the start and would a quicker response saved lives?

Probably, but we don’t know whether most people would have observed the lock down, social distancing etc (or the majority maintained compliance) if we had locked down earlier on.

The Government’s scientific and medical advisors say we won’t get a good picture of how effective : ineffective our response has been for many months as the virus is likely to hit some or most countries in waves until an effective virus or treatment is established.

 

[Manc in London]

I also predict by next winter that face-masks will be a legitimate fashion item seen more often in UK streets. I know we're seeing a few already but the worry is the front line health workers need these before the 'influencers' promote them on the gram.
Nike, Under Armour...flipping Gucci...they'll all be at it.

I am already considering pimping my hemp face mask MCFC style

 

[BlueAnorak]

i thought the genetics were right to be a natural virus and this had been confirmed, on the flip side anything natural can be produced i suppose as its their right infront of us, i did hear the UK gevernment and the US had formed a team of biologists to get stuck into this so there must be some doubt somewhere,its certainly one for thought but i swing towards a natural virus at this stage

I'm not denying it's natural.
The genetics say it isn't from specifies jumps at the Wet Market so applying Ocams Razor what's most likely?
The other alternative is a bat in a cave in Southern china meeting a Pangolin and subsequently infecting an individual who travelled to Wuhan (not in the natural range of the Pangolin).

 

[kaz7]

I agree but would say it's a pandemic and I'm not sure any government could know what has hit us.
All countries haven't been perfect in their response.

We had a time advantage and also we stopped testing in march which was against the WHO advive,we were told to test,trace and isolate,we went off on our own direction against what everyone else was doing and went for herd immunity,we thought we knew best,now we have the worse death rate in Europe and second only to the americans

 

[inchy14]

Probably, but we don’t know whether most people would have observed the lock down, social distancing etc (or the majority maintained compliance) if we had locked down earlier on.

The Government’s scientific and medical advisors say we won’t get a good picture of how effective : ineffective our response has been for many months as the virus is likely to hit some or most countries in waves until an effective virus or treatment is established.

Plenty haven’t observed it as it is, others got bored after a week and started just living lives as normal as possible, if we started the lockdown too early more would have been out and about at the wrong time possibly making the situation mush worse. Do I think they have been perfect with their decision making? No, but who has been.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So were the government slow as Keir Stramer suggested at the start and would a quicker response saved lives?

Yes

Unlikely.
Getting our bueucacracy to move quickly is an anathama.
For things to improve, the command structure would have to have been flattened. Embedding the army to monitor what was going on at the coal face would also have to be done and distributing power to the peripheries would also have to happen as well as harnessing universities and the private sector without the dead hand of beauracracy getting in the way.
Strategic and tactical flexibility is NOT delivered by UK government or NHS beuracracy.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Unlikely.
Getting our bueucacracy to move quickly is an anathama.
For things to improve, the command structure would have to have been flattened. Embedding the army to monitor what was going on at the coal face would also have to be done and distributing power to the peripheries would also have to happen as well as harnessing universities and the private sector without the dead hand of beauracracy getting in the way.
Strategic and tactical flexibility is NOT delivered by UK government or NHS beuracracy.

Ad outlandish as this sounds maybe May would have been better if she was still PM in dealing with this crisis.
I felt she got a raw deal.