COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Churchlawtonblue]

What about smokers, drinkers, rock climbers etc?

Do they risk spreading illness to others? Different argument imo.

people who dont want the vaccine due to some wacky idea are selfish in the extreme. If everyone behaved like that we would be living with this misery forever.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Most people die a lot younger without a health service.

Yes I can see that being the case in Africa but parts of the Far East have a good life expectancy, Taiwan being one of them. Maybe the people are just a lot more compliant.

 

[True_Blue69]

Keir Starmer just said cases are rising in Manchester too on Granada Reports just now.

Why can nobody look at the actual numbers or do politicians live in upside downy world?

Cases WERE going up 2 weeks ago. And part of that was thanks to them losing many days worth of data and dumping it in one go.

But since the student numbers have fallen (driving things in GM) this just is not true And its not hard to look and see that - or should not be when you are a politician dealing with a major pandemic.

Of course, hospital data is a concerm but case numbers are the thing you have to change first as you only control admissions, ICU cases and deaths weeks AFTER getting the cases stable and then down.

So its the number that matters most right now

You need to get a question on the next PM conference tie them in knots with your knowledge!

 

[hilts]

Do they risk spreading illness to others? Different argument imo.

All 3 yes, I would try another angle:-)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The ZOE study is very accurate at predicting near future infection rates. In fact, Tim Spector was crowing about it this morning in his weekly message to the ZOE nation.
(Prediction: 26k new cases per day at the moment)

Fair enough BlueAnorak but I see it more along the lines of Whitty. I think the ZOE nation survey is more likely to be populated by people who are well informed and conscious about not catching the virus.

Far from scientific but today my volunteer gardening group was cancelled because one member has Covid. I mentioned earlier that my cousin’s daughter has the virus. Several posters have said family members have it too.

 

[oldhamblue]

My niece runs an NHS Trust in Manchester. I've just spoken to her and she's furious with Burnham. Said most NW hosptals are at near capacity due to Covid patients taking up the beds. She said if your mum were to have a heart attack or stroke tonight, she would die while they tried to find a bed for her.

 

[mosssideblue]

Fine if they dont want the vaccine. just make sure we take their details so they pay for their own treatment if they catch Covid and get ill.

Give it a rest, you cannot make people pay because they refuse a vaccine

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Every cloud......

 

[grunge]

These stats are just getting silly when you have 2 studies and one says 26k a day and the other 76k then the only conclusion is the studies are shit and they don’t know.

It’s not like they are ballpark figures 50k is a pretty big disagreement.

no idea on the Zoe one but from what i've seen its based on symtpoms so isn't taking asymptomatic into consideraion.

these were what were presented today.

 

[jazzy]

Every cloud......

Apart from benefit fraud

 

[Nellies left peg]

My 87 year father in law, in hospital after having a heart attack, was sent home without warning, as 3 patients on his ward developed Covid. Told to self isolate and that he was safer at home. No care package or follow up appointment.

Shocking. And they wonder why people have no faith in the way this pandemic has been handled

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

These stats are just getting silly when you have 2 studies and one says 26k a day and the other 76k then the only conclusion is the studies are shit and they don’t know.

It’s not like they are ballpark figures 50k is a pretty big disagreement.

Rubbish in. Rubbish out.

 

[Cityfan]

These stats are just getting silly when you have 2 studies and one says 26k a day and the other 76k then the only conclusion is the studies are shit and they don’t know.

It’s not like they are ballpark figures 50k is a pretty big disagreement.

They are actually measuring slightly different things and doing it in very different ways.
The Zoe study because of risk of bias of who gets the app etc is probably poor at estimating numbers but good at quickly picking up changes in trends.
Take the absolute number with a big pinch of salt. The ONS is probably a better estimate of numbers of when it took place but is slower at picking up changes in rate of infection because it is historical in nature.
I didn't hear Whitty but from the comments above I suspect the high number was an estimate of the upper end of the confidence interval rather than the midpoint estimation.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

My niece runs an NHS Trust in Manchester. I've just spoken to her and she's furious with Burnham. Said most NW hosptals are at near capacity due to Covid patients taking up the beds. She said if your mum were to have a heart attack or stroke tonight, she would die while they tried to find a bed for her.

Maybe be it’s time Manchester NHS leaders (who are working their socks off) speak out against the people who are ignoring the rules and are putting other people’s safety in jeopardy. I think people are past the point of listening to politicians and maybe the worst offenders wouldn’t listen to health leaders either, but it could put pressure on other agencies to enforce the rules.

(FWIW, My Mum was in the MRI after having a heart attack a few weeks ago and may need to go back in for another operation).

 

[hilts]

They are actually measuring slightly different things and doing it in very different ways.
The Zoe study because of risk of bias of who gets the app etc is probably poor at estimating numbers but good at quickly picking up changes in trends.
Take the absolute number with a big pinch of salt. The ONS is probably a better estimate of numbers of when it took place but is slower at picking up changes in rate of infection because it is historical in nature.
I didn't hear Whitty but from the comments above I suspect the high number was an estimate of the upper end of the confidence interval rather than the midpoint estimation.

For us plebs listening you hear 26k a day and 76k a day shrug and move on. One problem with scientists is they don’t know their audience.

 

[Nellies left peg]

They are actually measuring slightly different things and doing it in very different ways.
The Zoe study because of risk of bias of who gets the app etc is probably poor at estimating numbers but good at quickly picking up changes in trends.
Take the absolute number with a big pinch of salt. The ONS is probably a better estimate of numbers of when it took place but is slower at picking up changes in rate of infection because it is historical in nature.
I didn't hear Whitty but from the comments above I suspect the high number was an estimate of the upper end of the confidence interval rather than the midpoint estimation.

They have different measurement systems so if they don't like the results of one they can spin the others to suit their own agendas. Don't trust the bastards to tell us the truth. Getting numbers and telling us the exact figured should not be beyond the realms of possibility

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Apart from benefit fraud

The biggest fraudsters are the management consultants

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yes I can see that being the case in Africa but parts of the Far East have a good life expectancy, Taiwan being one of them. Maybe the people are just a lot more compliant.

Correct. They follow public health rules.

 

[kaz7]

Better than most other countries who still aren't there after 7 months then.

I am all for knocking the government when they fuck up, but not just knocking them for giggles. The truth is from a very poor start, we got our act together rather better than pretty much everyone else:

since test target day months ago we count tests put in the post not even recieved back and certainly not tested , they are obsessed to appear the best when we are nowhere near

 

[BlueAnorak]

Every cloud......

I suppose that's something.